The Central Sun

JonLS SG · 2007-06-19T12:58:54+00:00

He did mention he has just retired last year, used to be a teacher (I think)... Why the interest, btw?

JonLS SG

The Central Sun

I've spoken many times about the inner dimension, how, when it used to open/arise before, it was very overwhelming and painful because it felt so corrosive.

Well the pain and corrosiveness seems to be gone, but the "overwhelmingness" of this when it opens is still present.

There's something else that seems to be happening now, I seem to be aware of the "flip side" effect of this "Central Sun" as I'm feeling like calling it now.

It's not a "Central Sun" of heat and light though, it's a "Central Sun" of pure beingness. It is whole and complete all by Itself, nothing else is really needed.

The "flip side" effect is that when there is energy movement from within, or when something energic emanates from there, then it is felt outwardly as feelings, thoughts that are directly influenced by this pure beingness at the core of my being.

When this pure beingness burst forth this morning I was so taken aback by it that I lost all perspective and was totally lost to the point where I almost felt ill from being totally disoriented. But at no time did this feel wrong, it felt completely right, as if the feelings of the physical/emotional vehicle didn't really matter at all.

So when I say I don't believe a word that I say, I'm really surrendering this outer reality in favour of the inner reality of this "Central Sun" which seems to be the "All" of everything. This is what truly holds all my interest now.

It feels like it's the source of everything and it's also the manifestation itself, but the manifestation, which is what we know when we're awake (not sleeping at night) really feels to be almost unidimensional compared this pure beingness.

I'm really doing a rotten job of expressing this because it's completely overwhelming and totally beyond description.

It also makes me feel that all experience is not really that important and yet this inner experience is so totally overwhelming that I have to admit not knowing whether I'm coming or going and don't really care at all either.

Anywho, I would like to conclude by saying I love you.

yamizi SG

There is neither inner nor outer reality. Reality exists as it suppose to be in the various phenonmenon.

JonLS, what are you working as?

longchen SG

Hi JonLS,

Just my opinions...certainly not definitive Smile

To me, there is no difference between and no inner and outerr reality. Everything feels right... even the discomfort and pain is due to just this Isness. That means, whether we 'think' it is or not... in reality, manifestation is spontaneous.

Surrendering is the doing of the self. But the act of surrendering is also spontaneously manifesting. Seems like a paradox... but everything is just this spontaneity regardless of whether the mind percieve it as such.

This is very hard for me to describe. There is no inner core and outer experience.... but a continous expression or 'fruition' of the 'experimental nature' that before expression feels like 'raw state of intentions'.

IMO, there is no inner or outer... that is the thinking mind interpreting the experience. That means the inner and outer reality is deduced after the experience. However, the expereince itself may not be characterised by 'innerness'.

Thusness SG

Hi Jonls,

Would like to share with u my view. There are good and bad news.

1. There is health issue.
2. The bond of pain and disease are deconstructed to a very high degree.
3. Non-identification to that health issue becomes the door of experiencing the further depth of pure beingness.
4. The intensity of that pure sensation that arises due to that health issue almost reaches a point of transcendence. A very high degree of clarity of sensation.

Though deconstructed the issue is still there. So do take care of yourself, din.

Thusness SG

Now I would like to comment from a practitioner point of view:

The intensity of that pure beingness is itself a manifestation. It is needless to compare as there will also come a point where high intensity of clarity will be experienced for all sensations. So try not to let the 'intensity' creates the layering of inner and outer. Mr. Green

Thusness SG

Originally posted by longchen:
Hi JonLS,

Just my opinions...certainly not definitive

To me, there is no difference between and no inner and outerr reality. Everything feels right... even the discomfort and pain is due to just this Isness. That means, whether we 'think' it is or not... in reality, manifestation is spontaneous.

Surrendering is the doing of the self. But the act of surrendering is also spontaneously manifesting. Seems like a paradox... but everything is just this spontaneity regardless of whether the mind percieve it as such.

This is very hard for me to describe. There is on inner core and outer experience.... but a continous expression or 'fruition' of the 'experimental nature' that before expression feels like 'raw state of intentions'.

IMO, there is no inner or outer... that is the thinking mind interpreting the experience. That means the inner and outer reality is deduced [b]after the experience. However, the expereince itself may not be characterised by 'innerness'.[/b]

Must be intoxicated by the spontaniety and openess but just don't miss that clarity, the texture and fabric of awareness as forms.... Mr. Green

Good Luck!

Thusness SG

The mind likes to categorize and is quick to identify.

When we think that awareness is permanent, we fail to 'see' the impermanence aspect of it.

When we see it as formless, we missed the vividness of the fabric and texture of awareness as forms.

When we are attached to ocean, we seek a waveless ocean, not knowing that both ocean and wave are one and the same.

Manifestations are not dust on the mirror, the dust is the mirror. All along there is no dust, it becomes dust when we identify with a particular speck and the rest becomes dust. Mr. Green

longchen SG

Hehheh... Mr. Green

Thanks for the reminder...

longchen SG

Oops... i didn't know that there might be a health issue.

Take care Jon.

JonLS SG

Thank you all for your replies.

I'm rather speechless tonight. Smile

Thusness SG

I shouldn't have put it that way. Got carried away.

Sorry Jonls...might be false alarm. Embarassed

JonLS SG

Hi Thusness,

There is no health issue related to this transformation of consciousness as Eckhart calls it.

Everything is being deconstructed, I'm totally lost and yet I can't seem to take this lostness very seriously.

What you said here sounds very important to me:

The mind is indeed always grasping, it can't stand the openness or the absolute emptiness.

JonLS SG

I think it's an absolute miracle that I can to you about this. Mr. Green

Herzog_Zwei SG

You mean by talking cock and singing song.

Thusness SG

Yes but when there is permanent lucidity in seeing awareness as forms in spontaneous manifestation, one find delights in emptiness and no-self.

I like the post u wrote in the thread "when truth takes over". Do u find the same intensity of presence in breathing, swallowing saliva, when ur feet touches the ground, hearing the drumbeats of footsteps...?

Thusness SG

Originally posted by longchen:
Surrendering is the doing of the self. But the act of surrendering is also spontaneously manifesting. Seems like a paradox... but everything is just this spontaneity regardless of whether the mind percieve it as such.
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This is very hard for me to describe.

Missed this part:
There is the deep realisation of no-self as non-dual nature and impermance as the spontaneous nature of awareness, still the not so good aspect, i.e -- the inceasant function of the consciousness to form imprints upon itself, is left out as part of the nature...hehe.... Mr. Green

Perhaps you were to add 'imprints and propensities' into part of its nature and see that the impact is as great as the first 2 doors "no-self and impermanence" then the bits and pieces may to fall into place.

The third door - suffering.
The insight into the incessant function of the consciousness to form imprints upon itself.

These are the 3 dharma seals. In a moment of arising, all these characteristics come into play and that is why it is hard to explain. To truly 'do nothing', 'imprints and propensities' must also be correctly understood like no-self and impermanence. Otherwise there is subtle pre-conscious rejection and unknowingly we re-enforced f imprints.

So in truth when the insight into our true nature isnt there, there is no true non-action. We cannot surrender to what is in an ultimate sense as there is no separation in the first place; either there is true no-self spontaneity or isnt. All else are skillful means devised to bring about the realization of our buddha nature.

Hope this helps to explain in a conventional sense to the mind.

Just for sharing! Smile

JonLS SG

Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

Sometimes, I am amazed how intense awareness is and how fully I am aware of and fully inhabiting the body. Very Happy

Sometimes it is so intense, there is so much energy, that the body itself seems to be overwhelmed.

longchen SG

Originally posted by Thusness:

Missed this part:
There is the deep realisation of no-self as non-dual nature and impermance as the spontaneous nature of awareness, still the not so good aspect, i.e -- the inceasant function of the consciousness to form imprints upon itself, is left out as part of the nature...hehe....

Perhaps you were to add 'imprints and propensities' into part of its nature and see that the impact is as great as the first 2 doors "no-self and impermanence" then the bits and pieces may to fall into place.

[b]The third door - suffering.
The insight into the incessant function of the consciousness to form imprints upon itself.

These are the 3 dharma seals. In a moment of arising, all these characteristics come into play and that is why it is hard to explain. To truly 'do nothing', 'imprints and propensities' must also be correctly understood like no-self and impermanence. Otherwise there is subtle pre-conscious rejection and unknowingly we re-enforced f imprints.

So in truth when the insight into our true nature isnt there, there is no true non-action. We cannot surrender to what is in an ultimate sense as there is no separation in the first place; either there is true no-self spontaneity or isnt. All else are skillful means devised to bring about the realization of our buddha nature.

Hope this helps to explain in a conventional sense to the mind.

Just for sharing! Smile
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I see... Thanks a lot, Thusness Smile

Thusness SG

Originally posted by JonLS:
Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

Sometimes, I am amazed how intense awareness is and how fully I am aware of and fully inhabiting the body. Very Happy

Sometimes it is so intense, there is so much energy, that the body itself seems to be overwhelmed.

Yes nothing can express it. Just don't let our perceptions and interpretations step in to restrict the all pervadingness!... Mr. Green

JonLS SG

Good point!

The mind just loves to grasp! Mr. Green