Belief in Reincarnation Tied to Memory Errors

last SG · 2007-06-04T16:45:16+00:00

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei: Your moderation of my posting in the metta chatbox thread. Technically, it is a valid point of discussion, although unorth...

An Eternal Now SG

What I was saying just now, was that you cannot mix "Science" and "Spirituality" up just because of "non duality", because non-duality does not mean that different things are "the same" -- not two, not one.

Of course relatively speaking, when we use relative concepts, you can say I am rich and you are poor. I can say that I am AEN, you are AndrewPKYap. But that's not ultimate.

So if you are talking about spiritual and physical in relative concept, relatively speaking they are different, and you cannot equate spiritual and physical with each other. Ultimately speaking it is just as it is.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Unless you tell me reality isn't real. Mr. Green

AndrewPKYap SG

It is like saying, "we are all equal when we are buried six feet underground." The ultimate.

True but we are not yet buried underground are we?

In the meantime, what do we do about it?

In the meantime this is our reality.

Reality therefore is not only when we are buried six feet underground but includes the now.

When you talk about spirituality and physicality, you are talking about "people" or a "person"

A person is both spiritual and physical... non dual... a person can be spiritual or physical, not one

Buddhism is "trans-logic"

If you are not logical, how can you ever hope to go beyond logic?

Trans-logic does not mean and does not imply "no logic" or "not logical"

It has to be fully logical and then some. If you can understand that, then you are a step closer...

Understand not as in "conceptually"... that is another story....

AndrewPKYap SG

Just because science is based on reality, science cannot be wrong or reality is not real? Shocked Rolling Eyes

Just because we communicate in English our England is perfect? Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

Seems like the Atheism forum is damn active this month... maybe in future they end up in Top 20 forums Laughing Must give me credit for being the one who suggested January to set up his own forum Mr. Green

An Eternal Now SG

True.. I do agree that we can't do away with logic.

In terms of logic we should have logical clarity though it is a different thing as spiritual clarity.

AndrewPKYap SG

What this means is that, when people tell you something is "from the spiritual realm" or "use your spiritual eyes" you have to give it a very good examination using the best logic... if it cannot stand logic... there is probably something wrong with it...

If you are scared to examine it logically, you will be subject to people deluding you... they might or they might not do it on purpose... at best, you will be like the other religions that are dogmatic and ask their followers to believe without question...

You go to their forums... they are even scared to discuss their faith with you unless you are a fellow believer....

An Eternal Now SG

Yes, agreed... in fact most Buddhists do have this attitude.

Buddhism is an open 'religion'. Yes, that article is highly flawed and portrays a very wrong perception of Buddhism. And although I do not agree with that article as well, I do not think that it is wrong to voice out your opinion, even if it's not popular or accepted by the public.

In fact, the Buddha encouraged us to voice out our opinions & questions. The truth will be able to withstand questioning. If it cannot, then it may not be the truth at all !!

In this case, when these controversial points are voiced out, we can explain it to that person, and perhaps many others who has the same doubts but do not dare to voice out. That is what a forum is for. If we cannot accept different opinions, and allow only topics that we like to hear, then this forum has lost its meaning !! ~ Jilimi, http://www.friendster.com/group-discussion/index.php?t=msg&th=574094&start=0&

Herzog_Zwei SG

Power answer though it's based on roundabout logic. Mr. Green

Herzog_Zwei SG

And thus less moderation needed in BWB. Mr. Green

An Eternal Now SG

I think BWB will have more attention because of Atheism forum Cool

Anyway a sidenote, I haven't had a need to exercise my moderation power in this forum (edit posts, close topics) for several months.

monkeywarriors SG

one of the most logical explanation i've come across! Very Happy support deep deep Wink

Herzog_Zwei SG

Because your mod powers are forcing people to believe in your idealogy.

An Eternal Now SG

Question

neutral_onliner SG

yes...Just like Buddha told his followers that debates about the existence of God are futile and in the end will only take them away from concentrating on more important issues.

Science probably evolved because we need to improve our problem solving abilities and pass on knowledge, learnt during the problem solving process, to other generations.

An Eternal Now SG

Yet the topic of God is sooo popular and debates are endless Laughing

At the rate they're going, they're definitely going to enter Top 20 forums Mr. Green

Omniknight SG

cos God is ultimate power and people love power
BTW im eric cartman my account got banned

An Eternal Now SG

No wonder your writing style so familiar Laughing

What's the reason you got banned?

p.s. If I return this forum account to you, nobody will dare to ban you anymore Mr. Green (just kidding)

Beyond Religion SG

I think this is because the concept of a "God" profess to offer people an avenue to rid themselves of Dukkha without the need to go through the trouble of cultivating oneself. Its a shortcut of sorts, like a backdoor approach to ending sufferings.

Omniknight SG

What do you want to cultivate??

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