wad is karma ?

Kenashi SG

u then shut up
Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

Sorry but erm... how is this linked to karma?

Karma means action, or cause and effect caused by action...

And anyway nobody, even 'gods', can escape the law of karma.

Kenashi SG

u guys like to think that karma = fate
fate = act of god
so karma = act of god Laughing

An Eternal Now SG

It's just wording mistakes by Taiwanpolitics, I'm sure he knows the difference, and I have corrected him. Smile

Passions SG

okay...I have no idea what you mean... but nice try...????

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by Kenashi:
u guys like to think that karma = fate
fate = act of god
so karma = act of god

if so, than i can go commit evil? don't tink so.

for info:

Beliefs that are contrary to the law of kamma
There are three philosophies which are considered by Buddhism to be wrong view and which must be carefully distinguished from the teaching of kamma:

1. Pubbekatahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering arise from previous kamma (Past-action determinism).

2. Issaranimmanahetuvada: The belief that all happiness and suffering are caused by the directives of a Supreme Being (Theistic determinism).

3. Ahetu-apaccayavada: The belief that all happiness and suffering are random, having no cause (Indeterminism or Accidentalism).

"Bhikkhus, of those three groups of ascetics and Brahmins, I approach the second group ... and say to them, 'If that is so, then you have killed living beings because of the directives of a Supreme Being ... stolen the goods of others ... engaged in sexual misconduct ... uttered false speech ... have held wrong view because of the directives of a Supreme Being.'

"Bhikkhus, adhering to the will of a Supreme Being as the essence, there are neither motivation nor effort with what should be done and what should not be done ...

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma6.htm

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Passions SG

Hi everyone,

Please do not think that karma is fate or predestination. You as an individual are free to choose every action you make, you have the free will to act accordingly. Thus, you are free to choose your action, but you cannot escape consequences of the choices you've made. You cannot escape karma, but you can understand how it works and thus escaping samsara.

neutral_onliner SG

KARMA - nobody but you yourself is in control of your fate

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=199365

Passions SG

You reap what you sow. Wink

concerned_man SG

Absolutely. Smile

The law of a cause - YIN (and contributing conditions, YUAN) and effect - GUO.

Herzog_Zwei SG

Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
[b]KARMA - nobody but you yourself is in control of your fate

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=199365[/b]

You got to be joking... How can you change something that happened in the past? Can you go back in time or predict what will happen in the future?

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
You got to be joking... How can you change something that happened in the past? Can you go back in time or predict what will happen in the future?[/b]

think u misunderstood, it only mean a person reap what the person had sowed in the past..so to know the future effect, u can take a look at the present action.

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Herzog_Zwei SG

Then what about the actions you believe that you are doing right presently but turn out to be wrong in the future?

An Eternal Now SG

It has alot to do with wisdom and observation. But if it is not within your control then I do not think you will have any karma for causing the "wrong".

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From "excuse me, are you a Bodhisattva?", I posted:

That's great Smile This is not psychic ability, it is called wisdom.

From Awakening The Sleeping Mind (one of the first English books written by my master that is translated and published recently), Ven. Master Shen Kai (note: the 'pure awareness' mentioned here refers more to 'awakening' than 'buddha essence'):

4. What is the wisdom of the Buddha? How can we unfold our Buddha-wisdom?

In order for our Buddha-wisdom to unfold, we need pure awareness; to awaken ourselves, and also to awaken others. One is Buddha when one's pure awareness, enlightenment and cultivation of the Bodhisattva Way have reached a rounded perfection. But pure awareness is no simple matter. There is advanced awareness (i.e knowing the consequence before the event), retrospective awareness (i.e knowing the consequence after the event) and unawareness (i.e being ignorant of the event and the consequence). Advanced awareness refers to knowing ahead of time, before the action is committed, whether suffering or happiness will result.

Thus, the saying goes: "Bodhisattvas are wary of causes, sentient beings are wary of consequences". For any situation, a Bodhisattva knows whether the cause is a virtuous or a wicked one. Knowing the cause, he makes the necessary ammendments within this cause itself. He does not wait until he is suffering the bitter consequences and is full of complaints, and only then make the changes. That would be too late.

Sentient beings are wary of the consequences rather than the causes. Before an incident, some people like to behave like heroes and taunt others, "Who do you think you are? You think you're great? What do you want?!" Then, they pull out knives and murder people, or beat them up, or quarrel with people... until the law catches up with them and throws them into prison. Oh! They will wail their laments then! Why didn't you know better right from the start? If you had known in advance, and you didn't behave as such, then wouldn't everything be fine?

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Then what about the actions you believe that you are doing right presently but turn out to be wrong in the future?

ignorance/folly is also consider a negative/root karma that lead to any actions be it right or wrong. Every volitional action (except that of a Buddha or of an Arahant) is called Karma. there's also netual action.

Neutral Actions

The law of karma does not apply to actions such as walking, sitting or sleeping. Such actions do not produce effects apart from the actions themselves. Similarly, accidentally killing an insect is considered a neutral action because it is unintentional.

There was once a blind monk who would , while walking about, accidentally step on ants, thereby killing them. when his fellow monks noticed this, they report it to the Buddha who pointed out that as the blind monk's killing of the ants was unintentional, it was neither wholesome nor unwholesome karma and no corresponding effect would arise.

however, i heard from Ven Hai Tao, that unintentional action also have unintentional effect. there was this monk who while preaching, accidentally kill an insect. the insect later was reborn as a wild boar which had an itch teeth. so it went to scratch on a huge rock. which fell from the cliff and killed the monk below. the wild boar was also unintentional.

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Herzog_Zwei SG

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

That's great This is not psychic ability, it is called wisdom.

From Awakening The Sleeping Mind (one of the first English books written by my master that is translated and published recently), Ven. Master Shen Kai (note: the 'pure awareness' mentioned here refers more to 'awakening' than 'buddha essence'):

[b]4. What is the wisdom of the Buddha? How can we unfold our Buddha-wisdom?

In order for our Buddha-wisdom to unfold, we need pure awareness; to awaken ourselves, and also to awaken others. One is Buddha when one's pure awareness, enlightenment and cultivation of the Bodhisattva Way have reached a rounded perfection. But pure awareness is no simple matter. There is advanced awareness (i.e knowing the consequence before the event), retrospective awareness (i.e knowing the consequence after the event) and unawareness (i.e being ignorant of the event and the consequence). Advanced awareness refers to knowing ahead of time, before the action is committed, whether suffering or happiness will result.

Thus, the saying goes: "Bodhisattvas are wary of causes, sentient beings are wary of consequences". For any situation, a Bodhisattva knows whether the cause is a virtuous or a wicked one. Knowing the cause, he makes the necessary ammendments within this cause itself. He does not wait until he is suffering the bitter consequences and is full of complaints, and only then make the changes. That would be too late.

Sentient beings are wary of the consequences rather than the causes. Before an incident, some people like to behave like heroes and taunt others, "Who do you think you are? You think you're great? What do you want?!" Then, they pull out knives and murder people, or beat them up, or quarrel with people... until the law catches up with them and throws them into prison. Oh! They will wail their laments then! Why didn't you know better right from the start? If you had known in advance, and you didn't behave as such, then wouldn't everything be fine?[/b]

Don't tell me:Taking no action is an action.

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Don't tell me:Taking "no action" is an action.

i think if it causes a chain reaction, that hurt oneself or others, it's karma.

Definition of Karma

Karma is intentional action, that is, a deed done deliberately through body, speech or mind. Karma means good and bad volition (kusala Akusala Centana). Every volitional action (except that of a Buddha or of an Arahant) is called Karma. The Buddha's and Arahants do not accumulate fresh Karma as they have destroy all their passions.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5215/karma.html

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An Eternal Now SG

Your thought of not taking action while you should be, is itself an evil thought. For example if you have the very ability to save someone right in front of you, but you just let him die, that is not no action, that is evil thinking. Karma got Mind, Speech, Action karma, although karma means "Action", it has 3 parts. Smile

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Karma got Mind, Speech, Action karma, although karma means "Action", it has 3 parts. Smile

just to clarify: AEN uses the word "Action", while i uses the word "bodily".
Smile

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Herzog_Zwei SG

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Hence, taking no action should not be an action and thus should not be evil. Action, I believe should be redefined into Mental, Oral and Physical...

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