does maximum indulgence remove cravings?

Cenarious SG

cos u get to see that this thing doesnt satisfy u at all even though u already have all of it rather than not taking part in it and thinking and speculating crazily about it

path_seeker SG

Works for some but not all. Most of the time, maximum indulgence will only create new cravings, greeds.

It's never easy to remove cravings, because it involves the changing of mindset.

Cenarious SG

i remember some catholic guy said “it is better to get married than to burn with passion” or something

An Eternal Now SG

It temporarily removes craving but it does not remove grasping and seeking (to maintain the permanency of indulgence), which is craving in another form. Then one will constantly be living in dukkha.

The highest sort of mundane bliss can be found in Jhana, where mental disturbances temporarily subside into calmness and ecstatic joy. But even that sort of state cannot be maintained forever, and there is still a subtler form of dukkha. Even if you stay in the 8th Jhana realm for 84000 kalpa you will eventually fall back to realms lower than that.

See the previous topic on dukkha, mundane joy and bliss: The Pursuit of Happiness, Bliss and understanding Sufferings

An Eternal Now SG

See: The Concept of Dukkha

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by Cenarious:
cos u get to see that this thing doesnt satisfy u at all even though u already have all of it rather than not taking part in it and thinking and speculating crazily about it

i think yes - can work, wu ji bi fan, "priming the pump". properly one of the method great bodhisattvas used to help some sentient beings. like i give u eat the same ice-cream everyday for 2-3 weeks...after that, u will be sick or vomit if u see ice-cream again per se. Embarassed
but must know how to go about doing it. if not it can oso become an incurable habit/addiction. wu ji bi fan of wu ji bi fan. Wink

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Cenarious SG

the other day i went to funan and bought a whole bunch of PC games. now im not so interested in games anymore.

An Eternal Now SG

lol y?

Cenarious SG

tiring to get the hang of so many games at once, and i think in the past i speculated crazily about how fun it would be and it snowballed into an exaggeration in my mind but when the games come it shattered my expectation

choco B SG

HUrhur from my experience ,not always.

I love to shop, and even after a big shopping spree to scratch the itch I still get the urge to shop again when I see something nice during the next trip. And it never goes away!

An Eternal Now SG

I see... because you become bored with it.

An Eternal Now SG

Hmm tat is true... there is never an ending. So samsara is never satisfactory and always impermanent.

Cenarious SG

u nvr scratch until ur flesh come out