Lamas can eat meat right?

last SG · 2006-05-18T20:58:34+00:00

Vegetarianism evolved from Mahayana Buddhism in China. It become common and became a precept for Mahayana Monks and Nuns not to eat meat. May not be so for...

paperflower SG

i watched that before...... nice interesting movie.

i remember when i watched it, i was still a very green-horn to buddhism know nothing truth about buddhism and i was like hoping the monk doesn't leave his home for the monastery.... Mr. Green . and my heart was like breaking when he eventually left Razz

paperflower SG

anyway, i like the colors of the tibetan monk's robe....

hhmm... wonder how i look like if i am in one of them.

Shocked Cool

MobyDog SG

Honestly, I do not generally have respect for Lamas, or even think they are religious monks at all. All thru history, Lamas are notoriously infamous for slavery, torture, sexual abuses and murder. 80% of the population in Tibet were slaves. They drink and eat meat... human skin drums and cups fashioned from human skulls takes the cake. They are also technically the ruling class in Tibet rule with an iron hand.

I'm not kidding.....

An Eternal Now SG

Honestly, I do not generally have respect for Lamas, or even think they are religious monks at all.

As mentioned above - not all lamas are monks. Lama simply means teacher. Some can be lay teachers.

All thru history, Lamas are notoriously infamous for slavery, torture, sexual abuses and murder. 80% of the population in Tibet were slaves.

Pls quote where you heard from... perhaps you may have read from Chinese propaganda sources that provides unsubstantiated garbage... lots of Chinese propaganda has been going on. See: China's Panchen Lama steals show with Buddhists

They drink and eat meat...

Tibetan monks CAN eat meat - so do Theravada (thai/sri lankan monks). Buddha did not strictly forbid eating meat but only encouraged people to take up vegetarianism.

As for drinking? Pls quote...

human skin drums and cups fashioned from human skulls takes the cake.

I believe human skulls and human skin drums are used to remind one of impermanence - though it may be for other reasons. There is nothing wrong with that since they didnt murder to get those skulls.

They are also technically the ruling class in Tibet rule with an iron hand.

Yes the Lamas were the ruling class and were in charge of the politics of Tibet in the past. But I am not aware of lamas ruling Tibet with an iron fist..

paperflower SG

Shocked really? didn't know that....
sorry to know that you don't respect them, can understand your reflected feelings and thoughts.

but what's past is past.....
let's give one another a chance - for any culture, race, tradition or religion. i'm not trying to cover anything but it is more like cultivating to uncover the beauty of our openness of heart and mind to let go of any past both ugly or nice and to live in present that matters most.

bohiruci SG

The married clergy is common in some of the lineage holder of tibetan Buddhism

and does not mean married clergy THEY CAN BE SPOILT and play the fool

The basic Samaya vows still applies

It doesnt matter whether He is a monk or a married clergy

as LONG as He can tell you what is true liberation and not make you a fools hunting for answer for aeons...

He is your teacher .

SEE beyond forms and not being attached ....

Cool Cool Cool

paperflower SG

be it lama, lay people or masters.... all are humans.... sentient beings.....

hatred, prejudice and anger can go on and on and on.... when will it stop and who will stop?

which is closer to us? japanese occupation or tibetan slavery & tortures.....
the truth is always next to us just that we don't realise it but the truth is always in this unlimited expansion of the presentness.

forgiveness is not about forgiving the ones we know or closer to us. it is to everyone out there from anywhere.

bohiruci SG

I would like to know who said Tibet have slavery and torture slaves ??

there is no prove

However , the cultural revolution leave 300,000 people dead

mostly are monk .

How come mostly monk died ?

can that someone please use a brain to think before writing

It hurts the family of those who died sadly

bohiruci SG

There was a time when ignorant people tends to idolise Soccer Star , and writing articles on news media ,they are "Superstar of Soccer"

It seems to me how shallowness of such idolisation

and must the person who teach you Buddhism be a monk or nun ???

must it be ??

Sometimes the married clergy is able to connect to the household than a monk or nun

It sound silly to start writing statement married clergy are not practitioner...
then every layman or laywoman are not practitioner ,

they only support Buddhism.

This again is a old form of thinking ,that makes alot of people sick of Buddhism in the past ....

MobyDog SG

Look....I'm not really interested in Tibetian demise or perceived suffering nowadays... because I know most of them living in Tibet are certainly not... I am not easily fooled by massive propaganda by exiled tibetians are doing thru out the internet... and how things are spinned .. especially with C!A involvement. There still may be imprisonments and torture in Tibet.. which China is infamous for, then again they are activist and insurgents. US also sents these types people to Gitzmo and Abu garib... you know

The reason I say this is that, I have grown up and is considered very alert and aware of history on how the C!A operate thru out history.. esp in the latin America. Their activities are very well documented.

The very reason is that in those days of the PLA incursion into Tibet.. C!A is heavily involved... because of the Cold war with Russia and China, which is communism. Tibet at those days, were eyed by both India, Russia and of course China.. which Tibet is a long time Vassal state. This being said Tibet was never a Soveriegn nation at all.

Just like the Exiled Iraqis stinct in the recent collaspe of "Iraqi Freedom".. the US are now using Exiled Iranian in their usual propaganda tactics against the Iranian Regime - The Shah faction... which was historically notorious.... My take is that they have supported Exiled Tibetian the same way... esp in those cold war days. Many exiled Tibetian are in US and India.

I have, sort of, partake in disscussion regarding the Lamas deploring history before - that was a long time ago... and basically, not realy interested in them now. But I am sure most of the Exiled Tibetian belongs to the Elite class... just google wisely or go to the library. American propaganda media power is truly frightening.

Those of you who are interested may read this article.... It had references to their relevant quotes which you may research upon.... It's up to you to decide.. I just did a simple google search.. and I'm not a Chinese National. Even ancient Chinese literature depicts the status behaviour of these monks. But I truly believe that the Average Tibetian in Tibetn ow are better off with China than India or Russia or under a puppet govt of USA. History under the later will always be a Banana Republic.

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bohiruci SG

[quote]Originally posted by MobyDog:
[b]Look....I'm not really interested in Tibetian demise or perceived suffering nowadays... because I know most of them living in Tibet are certainly not... I am not easily fooled by massive propaganda by exiled tibetians are doing thru out the internet... and how things are spinned .. especially with C!A involvement. There still may be imprisonments and torture in Tibet.. which China is infamous for, then again they are activist and insurgents. US also sents these types people to Gitzmo and Abu garib... you know

The reason I say this is that, I have grown up and is considered very alert and aware of history on how the C!A operate thru out history.. esp in the latin America. Their activities are very well documented.

The very reason is that in those days of the PLA incursion into Tibet.. C!A is heavily involved... because of the Cold war with Russia and China, which is communism. Tibet at those days, were eyed by both India, Russia and of course China.. which Tibet is a long time Vassal state. This being said Tibet was never a Soveriegn nation at all.

Just like the Exiled Iraqis stinct in the recent collaspe of "Iraqi Freedom".. the US are now using Exiled Iranian in their usual propaganda tactics against the Iranian Regime - The Shah faction... which was historically notorious.... My take is that they have supported Exiled Tibetian the same way... esp in those cold war days. Many exiled Tibetian are in US and India.

I have, sort of, partake in disscussion regarding the Lamas deploring history before - that was a long time ago... and basically, not realy interested in them now. But I am sure most of the Exiled Tibetian belongs to the Elite class... just google wisely or go to the library. American propaganda media power is truly frightening.

Those of you who are interested may read this article.... It had references to their relevant quotes which you may research upon.... It's up to you to decide.. I just did a simple google search.. and I'm not a Chinese National. Even ancient Chinese literature depicts the status behaviour of these monks. But I truly believe that the Average Tibetian in Tibetn ow are better off with China than India or Russia or under a puppet govt of USA. History under the later will always be a Banana Republic.

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Sounds like the world's biggest tall story that CIA would want to go into Tibet
then PLA kill tibetan monk and people just because
they are like

"housefly" ????

I dun even get the rationale of all this CIA story .

You watch too much CIA -inspired story

the People's Republic of China have NO RIGHT to amassed killings of up to 300,00 people in tibet ,just becos they believe it is "poison" in the tibetan religion and refused to accept Chairman Mao aspiration ?

Just like you practising some animistic rites , and a police comes up to you and
point a gun at you to stop that ritual.If you are that guy being point at gunpoint ,what will you do ??

there is no compassion in all this report , it just seems like a neo-Stalinist style approach to rule Soviet Union as in the past

What Josef Stalin does is "those who go against the regime , torture and kill"

This is about practise and loving kindness ,to pull people out from mental suffering

and the discussion of merciless killing does not have a PLACE in Buddhism Forum .

Cool Cool Cool

bohiruci SG

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the following url are not recognised by the Buddhist Forum of Compassion Affinity and Buddha_Mandala_Blessings

they contained too many half-truths and distortion to the faith

Moderator ,please have that url removed and added into list of banned articles .. Wink Wink Wink

neutral_onliner SG

Orh... Cool

sinweiy SG

Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
In Tibet, there is an additional factor to consider: due to the high altitude and harsh climate, there is little to eat besides ground barley, dairy products and meat. To stay alive, the people have to eat meat. [b]His Holiness the Dalai Lama has encouraged those Tibetans in exile, who now live in countries where vegetables and fruits are more plentiful, to refrain from eating meat whenever possible. Also, if a practitioner has severe problems with his/her health due to not eating meat, then the master may give permission to take it. Thus, each person must check his/her own level of practice and bodily requirements and eat accordingly.

The fact that there is such variety within the Buddhist doctrine attests to the Buddhas skill in being able to guide people according to their dispositions and needs. It is extremely important not to be partial and sectarian, but to have respect for all the traditions and their practitioners. Cool

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Agreed. Situations had change in the recent years. many Tibetan traditions are starting to take up vegetarian diet following china, as now vegetarian food can be obtain much easier than before due to modernization. And also due to modernization, more animal are being killed for food. so we Buddhist should become vegetarian now to reduce the common karma of the world.
from most Tibetan traditions vcd i watched, Urgyen Trinley Dorje (Da bao fa wang) had become vegetarian. He said he used to like eating meat, but He said He must stop, as He's supposed to practice compassion for beings.
His Eminence Drubwang Konchok Norbu Rinpoche had never eaten meat.

He said to eat meat is to eat your parent's meat, and there's karma, (if u see what happen to Tibet). He strongly encourage vegetarian to a person who are in the organisation of a Buddhist society to set good example. if not karma of propagation and common karma of killing will crash.

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MobyDog SG

Sad that that you deleted that link, where there were many references to consider, when I was somewhat challenged by the very poster requesting it.

It's a interpretation of Old Tibetian History contrary to yours... white washing it with reason such as "not recognised by the Buddhist Forum of Compassion Affinity and Buddha_Mandala_Blessings'... is indeed a cheap shot.. and does not reflect history at all. While you yourself went ahead and criticise other points/regime. Instead of countering the so-called half truth and distortion of faith.. what's your proof.. you choose censoring... I even took heart not to quote anything from the Chinese website.. as you said are bias. Those reference were made by western travellers who were there in those Era.

Are you advocating that this Web Forum should be a self-importance politically correct outlet... that others are not truthful.... I'm a free thinker, but have some buddhist education in school... Face up to the fact that even if you consider something as half-truth, may still be some truth... meditation do not help delibrate ignorance, and choosing a close mindset defy the purpose of meditation of emptinese to find the truth. (a bit rusty, but somewhat there)

BTW, the C!A part was confessed by the former C!A operative himself in his bio/book... and it is well documented.

In fact , the article is about history and demography... unlike the Da Vinci Code that challenge the religious believe .... placing it upon buddhist forums as authority is indeed irrelevant.

Ito_^ SG

even Da da vinci code is for christians to read and understand. EH there got mention some churches encourage their members to watch the movie and understand what is right or wrong through their faith.

paperflower SG

to conquest an "enemy", one must know the enemy well.

in order to beat the competition, one has to buy a competitor's product to study it and to advance ahead of it.

(edited to add on....)
these are only too mundane, they ain't the ultimate.

bohiruci SG

so It is best you posted outside the Wisdom Bliss forum Exclamation

May you be blessed 50 000 000 years from now Wink Wink

I have no comment for your viewpoint Cool Cool

You seek your own salvation Cool Cool

concerned_man SG

Peace!

Actually the focus should not be on the Lama right from the start. Because the Lama is still a person. Whatever enquiry should all be referenced directly from the Sutra and not individuals. The Buddha had already mentioned this to us more than 2500 year ago that we should strictly follow the authentic Dharma teachings and not any individual.

So, from Buddhist point of view, whether Lama should or should not eat meat. I think it is more approriate to let their community decide. This I think is more respectful. Whatever the consequences, be it wholesome or unwholesome, let the Karma dictates.

Not just about Lama, we must SHUI SHUN, but also individuals from different Schools, Faith, Race and belief-system, we must respect and SHUI SHUN. To be at peace not only with myself, my community and the world at large and the Universe.

This is how I feel, at least.

MobyDog SG

Originally posted by bohiruci

I dun believe this got to do with practice in Buddhism ,and that author attacked buddhism ,but give chance to Roman Catholicism for their Inquisition

Talking about truth, the article was not about any attacked on buddhism. Never have I said as such.. you did.

So does it mean bias ? your sense ? or their sense ...

and you... I sensed deep hatre for the Chinese.. where's your benevolence ? so you decided based on your senses.... which sense the sixth ?

sound plausible at time when I read that Michael articles

the rest , you decide .

I have pointed out that you should explore his references, apart from his writings. since you requested that the article be removed ... others can't participate and decide.

Seriously , if you are so insistent on your views , why not go to India to rebuke Dalai Lama ,you will see the foolish actions of yourself

It is in my view that one must face up to facts... not censorship.

Have you been to Tibet ? Have compared life now in Tibet to India's ? If you have read "Seven Years In Tibet", you would have notice that Tibet was relatively peaceful. While the "Cultural Revolution" Taints Chinese History... many more.. much more had died than monks alone.

While one cannot forget the past, one have to learn to forgive. Do not white wash old Tibet's past.... with paradise.. which is not

This is Wisdom Bliss ,not Wisdom Blame ... mind you Cool Cool

You seemed to be the one indulged in blame... and do not entertain views which are counter to yours... and wish to live a life of ignorance.

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