[17:23] In buddhism, what are 'things'?
[17:23] nama
[17:24] or any form of phenomenon existence?
[17:24] temporary phenomen
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[17:24] nothing lasting. but ever changing
[17:24] dont ever insult the buddha
[17:24] nothing wrong i love coca cola
[17:24] namo coca cola
[17:24] lolx\
[17:24] u know what u r thinking
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[17:26] Thusness: that question of urs leads to the teaching of no
soul and self
[17:26] indeed. 
[17:27] All exhitbit these characteristics and must be thoroughly
understood.
[17:27] when we say 'success', how do we view 'success'?
[17:27] same thing as perceptions
[17:27] when we say 'fear', how do we view 'fear'?
[17:28] arising and falling nothing permanent and everlasting
[17:28] all are ever unsatisfactory
[17:28] all 'things' whenever mental or forms are but the
appearance of cause, conditions and changes from moment to moment
without a 'self'.
[17:29] well said
[17:29] that why i wonder why some believe buddha still exist after
parinibbana when he does not have a self
[17:29] for he cannot be term as exist or not in terms of nama and
rupa
[17:29] neither did he existed when he lived
[17:29] ay i gto mix up rupa is matter
[17:29] nama is consci
[17:29] from the tick of a thought moment to the entire political
and economics of a country, nothing doesn't exhitbit this
truth.
[17:30] lol
[17:30] nevermind
[17:30] so true but for satisfying this untame mind who loves
reading newspaper and forums
[17:30] sink deep into the deepest level of our own mind so that we
may enter into the stream.
[17:31] the arisnig of this moment is subtle. Not to over look it.
Let's be mindful.
[17:31] just one good question on such experience
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[17:31] after meditating for long hrs
[17:32] i have experience of not sensing anything
[17:32] what is the object of meditation in such subtle
thoughts
[17:32] so what if things dont exist inherently, things still
happen
[17:32] breathe no longer exist
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[17:32] u are able to type such comments i believe u meditate often
as well
[17:32] frankly there is no purpose, meaning whatsoever. It is the
'self' that needs these.
[17:33] oic
[17:33] to know, we have to see things in obviousness and nakeness
and enter into the world that is untouched by thoughts.
[17:34] nub: its not say it do not exist. its in a temp stage. say
it does not exist is wrong
[17:34] all reasoning will dissolve in light of Pure Awareness.
[17:35] in real subtle stage of thoughts, i do not understand if i
am still aware a not. for object of observing no longer seems
around anymore
[17:35] in taht stage we observe what
[17:35] nothing. Stay in that stillness.
[17:36] in that stillness, it is entire. First enters the world of
wordlessness
[17:36] sense everything without naming, labeling and
thinking.
[17:37] * Ah^pek is now known as hUnGrY^pe
[17:37] * hUnGrY^pe is now known as hUnGrYpeK
[17:37] before entering into pure sensing wihtout an object of
observation.
[17:37] when there is still a trace of a 'self', we will not be
used to it.
[17:37] do buddhists use vulgar lang??? im really angry
[17:37] raspberry: there are some not so adv one still do
[17:37] * Looking up raspberry user info...
[17:38] raspberry: even monks commits mistake more so common
buddhist.
[17:38] the 'self' must live in either beliefs, thoughts, names,
labelling. Otherewise there is no room for it to even exist.
[17:38] nice chat.
[17:38] those who want to use vulgar lang shldnt even come
here
[17:38] * Thusness returns to silence
