4 stanzas even more profound?

sinweiy SG

"when cold, shiver; when hot, sweat; when thristy, drink; when hungry, eat. " - MKY
is even more profounder than the teachings of conditioning, sunyata, namelessness, middle way. the teachings of conditioning, sunyata, namelessness, middle way are just surface. To say you know conditioning, sunyata, you have not seen the truth. And you wouldn't be liberated. Nor can you gain right view and right experience. If can understand the beginning 4 stanzas, your right view and right experience emerge together. All complete. The 4 stanzas are 10 times more profound that includes the ultimate truth. If one reached the 10th level of understanding, one's enlightened.

What's conditioning? Originally, there is void. due to different elements of conditioning, phenomena are form. Why sunyata? As all things are made up of combination of elements. Even atoms are not independent without electrons, neutrons. Originally, there is void. What's namelessness? There's no permenent name/label for form. What's middle way? Knowing all is void, and you are not dual. neither form nor no form. Originally, they are void. Easy. yuan2 qi3 xing4 kong1.
But the 4 stanzas are deeper! - MYK

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amtf!

An Eternal Now SG

Sounds easy, in fact it is the easiest thing in the world. But normally we just don’t do it. We are attached to all kinds of things even when we eat, sleep, walk, etc.

namelessness SG

I'm hungry. Time for a night snack. Smile

sinweiy SG

ch'an like to use many 'hua tuo'. It's just one of them like "Who are you, your 'original face' ({ÊÚ) before parent give birth to you?"

http://www.mudi99.com/P2/chanhua/mianmu.htm

Someone ask what's your original face?
Master said i cannot tell you, if i tell you it's not your attainment. it's still mine. ...

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An Eternal Now SG

I guess there can be many ways of expressing the answer once u 'got it'.

A person will only know the answer to 'What is your original face before parent gave birth to you?' once he realised birthlessness.

namelessness SG

err...perhaps not quite...

That's why the 4 stanzas are deeper than just realising birthlessness.
The 4 stanzas is the fullfilment of both birthlessness and birthness(non-dualism).

sinweiy SG

The Buddha himself said something similar in the Bahiya Sutta:-

"Then, Bahiya, you should train yourself thus: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bahiya, there is no you in terms of that. When there is no you in terms of that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."

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