Night Owls Chatterboxes - Part LXXXII

sbst275 SG

If only F-20 had went on

Fatum SG

actually ... the sexiest plane in my books is the F-14 tomcat .....I miss the airfix models I had ...

just look at the lines ......

go watch speed and angels .... it's loaded up on youtube ..... that's wanking material in plane porn terms ...

SBS2601D SG

I think they are making exactly the same mistakes they made during the vietnam war era, when they thought the merge and close in dogfighting to be obsolete, and that missiles and electronics would determine everything ......

so while the russians focused on super maneuverability, thrust vectoring etc, the west still try to squeeze life out of 70s era platforms by banking on electronics upgrades ...

I think it's telling too ... that while the west focused on radar technologies like AESA, the russians went with physical truths and developed IRSTs that could search, track and shoot, all without emitting a single tell tale beam of radar energy ....

Some things the Yankees believed in never ever went wrong, and that's huge ass engines that permit unparalleled acceleration.

But oh man....I love the looks of the Flanker....its got the killer looks.

Its likely the F-22 is actually more maneuverable than any planes of this era by virtue of its engines and thrust-vectoring with low wing-loading....

But I'm not sure if the F119 engine can allow the F-22 to do the fabulous 360deg flip the Flankers can do.....normal engines would just flame-out from the air starvation but not the awesome Russian Saturn engine.

SBS2601D SG

I like the F-111 looks better....it represents best the craze of the variable sweep wing with its min 16 deg and crazy max 72 deg sweep that no other planes dared to copy.

The F-14 design was based on the F-111 and refined it.

And the MiG-31 exhaust must be the biggest mounted on any fighter. Its my only model that can stand on its tail-pipes....freaking awesome

Fatum SG

I remember reading that all those fancy airshow moves like the cobra slows the airplane down too much to be of any use in air combat, especially in the era of true look down/shoot down radars ....

SBS2601D SG

Its a good way to demo the crazy Ruski engine....as stated, normal engine would flame out if the airflow is disrupted....but not the Ruski engine...

But actually its not true that the Yanks did not look at maneuverability....the Super Hornet can also do the Cobra....and that's without all the thrust-vectoring gizmos.

sbst275 SG

My fav plane is the F-14

JAS-39 my another fav

Fatum SG

but of course ... it helps to have friends on your side .....

like country x .....

from which we got this ....

elbit DASH III helmet on our vipers at exercise western arc in frogland .....

sighted during pitch black and red flag as well .... wonder if we'd be getting the python V too though ... makes sense ... since we are already buying the spyder to replace the rapiers ...

SBS2601D SG

Up north has got cladestine dealings with the said country....we should check out their SU-30MKM.....Ruski plane with American stuffings and unconfirmed Country X equipments....

sbst275 SG

next thing engine buang

sbst275 SG

ah 2601

side issue

I fear when KTM cease to operate from Tg Pagar, it's going to pull strain onto the buses like 170. Heard quite a chunk of the riders from Tg Pagar in the evening are to JB nia.

sbst275 SG

36 more days and goodbye to KTM at Tg Pagar.

SBS2601D SG

I mean....look at the quote:

A derivative of the India-Russian MKI,^[9] the MKM is a highly specialized version for Royal Malaysian Air Force (M is for 'Malaysia' ).^{[citation needed]} It includes thrust vectoring control (TVC) and canards but with avionics from various countries. It will feature head-up displays (HUD), navigational forward-looking IR system (NAVFLIR) and Damocles Laser Designation pod (LDP) from Thales Group of France, MAW-300 missile approach warning sensor (MAWS), RWS-50 RWR and laser warning sensor (LWS) from SAAB AVITRONICS (South Africa)^[10] as well as the Russian NIIP N011M BARS PESA radar, electronic warfare (EW) system, optical-location system (OLS) and a glass cockpit.

sbst275 SG

I mean....look at the quote:

A derivative of the India-Russian MKI,^[9] the MKM is a highly specialized version for Royal Malaysian Air Force (M is for 'Malaysia' ).^{[citation
needed]} It includes thrust vectoring control (TVC) and canards but with avionics from various countries. It will feature head-up displays (HUD), navigational forward-looking IR system (NAVFLIR) and Damocles Laser Designation pod (LDP) from Thales Group of France, MAW-300 missile approach warning sensor (MAWS), RWS-50 RWR and laser warning sensor (LWS) from SAAB AVITRONICS (South Africa)^[10] as well as the Russian NIIP N011M BARS PESA radar, electronic warfare (EW) system, optical-location system (OLS) and a glass cockpit.

chapalang system

Fatum SG

Up north has got cladestine dealings with the said country....we should check out their SU-30MKM.....Ruski plane with American stuffings and unconfirmed Country X equipments....

nah .... country x would never deal with them .... they are often been accused of being mercernary but they are not stupid ... I believe they replaced country X's stuff from the MKIs to frog and south african ones on the MKMs and got thompson to do the systems integration.

we must never underestimate the northern country too .... their airforce recognizes the need for the best talents they can get, it's the only openly multi-racial one of all their services. Their first mig-29 woman fighter pilot was a chinese lady.

Fatum SG

I mean....look at the quote:

A derivative of the India-Russian MKI,^[9] the MKM is a highly specialized version for Royal Malaysian Air Force (M is for 'Malaysia' ).^{[citation
needed]} It includes thrust vectoring control (TVC) and canards but with avionics from various countries. It will feature head-up displays (HUD), navigational forward-looking IR system (NAVFLIR) and Damocles Laser Designation pod (LDP) from Thales Group of France, MAW-300 missile approach warning sensor (MAWS), RWS-50 RWR and laser warning sensor (LWS) from SAAB AVITRONICS (South Africa)^[10] as well as the Russian NIIP N011M BARS PESA radar, electronic warfare (EW) system, optical-location system (OLS) and a glass cockpit.

yeah .... so that's right ... they replaced country x stuff with frog ones .... it would never go down politically to be seen using country x's stuff, not that country x would sell it to them anyways ....

unlike our southern neighbours .... who happily bought uzis, reflex sights, soltam mortars, and took over the skyhawks that country x gave up on ...

SBS2601D SG

I was pretty impressed by the up north navy during my encounters face to face in open seas.....their ships are packed with lethal weapons.

But then the sight of an Arleigh Burke at full speed is rather unforgettable.

The Yanks are not about to be shunted aside anytime soon

sbst275 SG

Int'l exchange rate as at 2316, 25/05/11

S$1 = RM2.4553

Fatum SG

I heard a lot of encounters .... with both our north and south neighbour's navies, were less than friendly ... near rammings, flipping the bird at each other, mooning ..... and the like ....

it's just stuff that were mumbled about vaguely over kopi or beer with friends since they were all under ops sec ....

but it's interesting that most navy chaps, those at actually deploy and sail .... are proponents of a strong defense posture ..... I guess they get to see more things than others ...

SBS2601D SG

I for one am always pushing for that....because unless you are there, you won't get to see how test-water your neighbours can get.

I still recall everytime we pass Horsbugh there's always one of our PVs on patrol and get this.....a RMN Spica-M shadowing it. At that time, we were all waiting for the ICJ verdict.

Whoever claims the Courageous was doing stupid things are stupid people themselves....they are never there to see the sacrifices of those who do their jobs while we sleep.

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