Justice is Served

Gedanken SG

yea but the team, esp those with the budget, would generally go for who they think is the best right? And if you didn't have the talent to back that up, then the team wouldn't be keeping you for too long right? And finally, as i said, in effect nobody forces the drivers to sign a bloody contract. If Kubica, for eg, was that deserving, then he could hold out on BMW. If he thinks BMW has a chance of becoming a world champ team n signed for them, then is lewis any less deserving for being picked by macca? gotta remember also, these young drivers sometimes come up thru a certain manufacturer's backing and feel obliged to give back to them. The general rule is that the more deserving drivers will likely be in championship contending cars. Lewis didnt get to where he is by being a 3rd rate driver with skills undeserving of being in F1 did he?

I don't see any of that as being relevant. The point I addressed was your stating that Lewis Hamilton approached Ron Dennis at the age of 10. What I'm saying is that it was Anthony, not Lewis, who approached Ron.

In the Kubica example, it's the driver choosing the team - how can you compare that to the team choosing Hamilton? It's not even apples-to-oranges - it's apple-to-tree.

As for whether he deserves the championship, it's a matter of opinion and my opinion is that he doesn't - I've been around long enough to see better, and I've seen chaps who have gotten more out of thier equipment. You know well enough that some former WDCs (and even some non-WDCs) would have sewn up the championship long ago instead of scraping in literally at the last minute owing to some other dickhead's fuck-up.

I'll stand by my view of the 2008 WDC - it was a "who can buttfuck himself less" competition.

Kuali Baba SG

Equal machinery? Equally bad? Only because they can't make anything good this year. Did they give them equal machinery in the schey years? And can u say macca gave heikki inferior machinery, or was heikki just not as talented? Do'oh! Get YOUR facts right m'dear. All these new fans to F1, always unable to see beyond the superficial...

In Singapore, dear old Massa did not check that the track was clear and pulled right out in front of sutil. If i was sutil i would be going for the inside to avoid massa on the outside. when my inside line was suddenly blocked off by an inconsiderate nincompoop who pulls out without looking, where else can i go? If some guy pulled out in front of u without looking on the roads, I bet you'd be singing a different tune, my dear hypocrite.

In Japan, the Ferraris certainly could brake at their NORMAL braking spot. Come on, lets duff up the ol ignorance a bit. I've raced, and I can tell u for SURE that the only reason everyone else also went wide was because they were engaging in a late braking contest. Experience has shown time and time again that if you braked at the normal braking pt and let lewis shoot off the track alone, u wouldn't be going off with him. But I guess u don't have the experience to understand that do u? As for massa(nick this bit applies to you too, have a read), he could avoid hamilton by BRAKING? have a look at hamilton's 3 abreast pass in GP2 at silverstone. Guy in the middle? Thats a good example of how not to drive into the side of someone when you've been passed and is off the line. Perhaps massa forgot he had brakes? then he really shouldnt be in F1. or maybe he didnt feel he should avoid a collision? Just like he did with bourdais? pfft.

In brazil? Yes that would be my mistake. I meant silverstone. maybe u'd like to explain what a "talented" driver like massa was doing in silverstone spinning his way to oblivion? esp when his lacklustre teammate still managed to outperform him with the same car in the same conditions? hmm?

I only need to remind you about where Heikki was in the first few races, giving Hamster a good run for his money. But after double non-points finishes in Spain and Turkey, he was always facing trouble with either his brake or tyre temperatures. Heikki was a development driver before so obviously he's not lacking in feedback, so something went away from him in the development of the car. Ferrari used to prioritise Schuey's challenge in the past and McLaren prided themselves on not doing that, so why are they resorting to that now?

Sutil went in too hot into turn 17 in Singapore from my point of view. He wasn't steering for the escape road...and Webber hit the barriers there in the same way too in practice, if you recall. (Edit: He had brake problems too, like many other drivers)

You could argue that Massa could have used his brakes in Fuji. I say that Hamilton could have used his mirrors, but he squeezed Massa out as he went for all of the racing line. He was half a car ahead so the penalty went his way, but he could have saved himself a lot of trouble in the process. It didn't happen at Monza but it had to happen sooner or later.

566117 SG

Just so you know, I have watched F1 for almost 10 years. By the way, I think you are wasting time by giving everyone a bunch of text.

4Justice SG

Just so you know, I have watched F1 for almost 10 years. By the way, I think you are wasting time by giving everyone a bunch of text.

not even 10 years?

newb lol. I watched my 1st race way back in the late 80s. You're one of those ferrari fanboys who started watching because they won a lot aren't you? almost 10 years would put u to start watching around the 99 or 2000 season. No wonder.

I would rather waste time with some logical arguments than do the same spewing some ferrari-biased drivel like you do. At least with Ged, much as i disagree with some of what he says, he's impartial.

4Justice SG

my dear nick, you would have to provide some real proof that macca is skewing things lewis's way. Actually, did u do engineering? You did didn't you? Technical errors are more often the fault of a string of processes. Things can often go away from people in the development of the car. Heikki could have had a car that was more to his liking and then as the car developed he found it harder to cope... just like Kimi. Are you going to say Ferrari skewed the development of the car Massa's way? No. The designers, engineers, do their physics wizadry on computer, based on theoratical physics and theoratical perfection. Some drivers are more adaptable, others aren't. To suggest a team is showing preference towards one driver based on the underperformance of their other driver due to any lack of ability on his own part is quite a fallacy. Nick, I really expect better than that from you.

By the way how were the Ting Tings?

Kuali Baba SG

I haven't bought tickets yet and they're gigging on Jan 13.

Ferrari found the solution for Kimi faster with the rear suspension tweaks in Fuji, and I guess Macca couldn't find something that worked for Heikki. That's my omission, but I still find that hard to believe because his feedback is highly rated, but that's just me. He wasn't brought in to ride shotgun, or so it was said in January by the team. Let's not slag him yet when we don't yet know how well Hamilton can drive around a weak car.

Oh, I didn't study engineering, but I can roughly grasp what an ill-balanced car is like from reading off the news sites.

Massa actually drove more consistently last year - with the aid of traction control. Both of them made way too many mistakes to deserve the championship or deserve the adulation from the media, but anyway, we won't do ourselves any favours by calling other people fanboys.

4Justice SG

oh calling them ferrari fanboys is hardly doing myself a disfavour. I'm not the glory hound type who began supporting a team because they were winning, unlike most Ferrari fans who coincidentally started watching F1 in 2000. I support a team because of their ethos. If I was a glory hound Macca fangirl then I wouldn't have started watching F1 fulltime in 2001 during the schuy domination era. =)

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