Scandal between Mclaren and Ferrari

last SG · 2007-07-27T00:04:30+00:00

I just got the news I think they deserve it, i think its ''one for all, all for one''. One of your team member has stuff that they should not have, the who...

jw5453 SG

Formula 1 fans, i bet you heard about the Scandal between Mclaren and Ferrari… Whats your opinion? do you think Mclaren is winning because they really obtained and used ferrari’s information?

Kuali Baba SG

The real reason for Ferrari's troubles was the downtime they suffered when their wind tunnel failed. They lost plenty of development time in the process.

If McLaren incorporated bits of Ferrari in their design they would not be so confident about co-operating with the FIA, though it doesn't mean they can't benefit in other ways depending on the nature of the information received.

Gedanken SG

My understanding is that the documents were allegedly passed over in April this year, way too late for it to explain mclaren's current form.

On the other hand, if next year's car is a grid-killer, I can forsee Stepneygate being raised a lot in 2008.

sand king SG

zzzzz i was over joyed when Ferrari won last week, cus Mclarence keep wining dam sian, become like shumi.

jw5453 SG

If what Gendanken said is true, then yeah, its not the espionage that makes Mclaren perform so well. Seems like we really got a F1 prodigy here. Is Hamilton in steroids or what, he cant keep winning like that man, he is still so young.. if he keeps winning like that, for the next decade or so… its all about Hamilton man..

Gedanken SG

I wouldn’t go as far as saying that Hamilton’s a storm in a teacup, but a lot of it is hype. As KB observed in the other thread, what he’s learned so far is no indicator of how good he’ll eventually be, and we need to keep in mind that he has been pretty much raised by McLaren over the last ten years or so, so the advantage may be the upbringing rather than any inherent qualities.

jw5453 SG

We shall see over this season then! It seems that after the depature of Schumacher, F1 seems more interesting when Schumacher is not winning all the time.
Lets look at the top four (Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen and Alonso) and how they compete with each other.

hisoka SG

hopefully the 3 old man can do better

Kuali Baba SG

Coulthard, Barrichello and Trulli? Razz

hisoka SG

no the 3 non-rookies among the top 4 Laughing

massa, alonso and raikoxxx(sorry my spelling sucks)

i want to see a closer match up Mr. Green

SBS9806J SG

Alonso: 25 (turning 26)
Massa: 26
Raikkonen: 27 (turning 2 Cool

This considered old man to you ah? Laughing

hisoka SG

"more-veteran" Mr. Green

Kuali Baba SG

The tale takes another twist as Honda revealed that Stepney approached Nick Fry for a job early in the season, and then returned in June with Coughlan. They did not offer any confidential information to the Honda boss, who then alerted Ferrari and McLaren.

jw5453 SG

Yeah, the scandal continues, seems like there is more to it.

"The story moved forward on Friday afternoon when Honda put out a statement saying that Nick Fry, the team's chief executive officer, met Nigel Stepney and McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan "with a view to investigating job opportunities within the Honda Racing F1 Team."

bits and pieces of the puzzle is falling into place i guess

SBS9828X SG

who are this 2 guys Rolling Eyes

Gedanken SG

Well, Stepney's famous for being the guy whose foot Schumacher ran over during a pitstop at Jerez 2000. Mr. Green

Kuali Baba SG

Jerez was dropped after 1997, so that would make it Barcelona. Razz

Mike Coughlan is the chief designer at McLaren and Stepney is Ferrari's head of performance development and ex-chief mechanic. The two of them used to work together when the former was at the firm that designed and produced chassis for Benetton and Ferrari.

iveco SG

Hmm, now it seems that Honda might be implicated in the widening scandal.

Anyway, MacLaren are under investigation and may lose their hard-earned points if found guilty of improper conduct.

SBS9828X SG

Court hearing called-off

Kuali Baba SG

The plot thickens

Also on ITV

"Representatives of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Thursday, July 26, 2007," said an FIA statement.

"The team representatives have been called to answer a charge that between March and July 2007, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro, including information that could be used to design, engineer, build, check, test, develop and/or run a 2007 Ferrari Formula One car."