Kimi rejects $72m McLaren deal

[email protected] SG

There is one constant in racing. That is, u must 1st beat yr teammate. He doesn't need to wait till next year to fight for the championship, but if he beat alonso within the same team next year, how much sweeter it would be.

Oh im not talking about Fiat, silly. I'm well aware they're in financial difficulties long ago. However, I'm talking about the subtle hints from the Ferrari people that indicates they're getting more nervous than they'd like others to catch on. Those are the hints I'm talking about. I can't help it if u can't catch them, but don't assume that I'm behind in the news ok? When a condensending tone backfires on u, it makes u look all the more stupid. Wink

Hmmmm
let me point it out to u since u seem to be rather ignorant about the McLaren Group...

besides F1 (McLaren Racing) and the SLR (McLaren Automotive), McLaren makes their money from:

WRC, MotoGP, Nascar, Le Mans/GT racing (McLaren Electronic Systems)

Working within a diverse range of industries and developing commercial applications for technology developed within the McLaren Group. In other words, they sell technology to other industries. That includes satelite manufacturing. (McLaren Applied Technologies)

Gourmet Catering for both land and in flight applications (Absolute Taste)

[email protected] SG

no he certainly doesn't need me to set up the stage for a perfect kimi-alonso showdown. Yes he needs to win the championship. But championships won in style are the stuff of legends. I don't think he was here to be a journeyman where world champs are concerned. He doesn't need McLaren to set it up for him, but why should he show that he needs to run away from the bullfighter to win a world championship?

and y not? McLaren IS going to pay for it. A team's strength is more than decided by just one person. Mike left renault but theys still won. Adrian can leave McLaren but McLaren will still be strong. On the contary, Rory Bryne didn't leave Ferrari and yet last year's Ferrari was a dog of a car. Nobody big like Adrian or Rory left Ferrari, so why the sudden loss of performance? A designer like Mike or Adrian might turn a struggling team's fortunes around, but once a winning structure is in place, they won't likely forget how to win, with the exception of Ferrari who have already proven they can forget how to win for 20 years straight. What I'm saying is, Ferrari won't stop winning altogether, but going on trends, they won't dominate like they have done for the next few years. Things are going to be more even, so instead of going to a team where u may or may not get a better car, why not face down yorur greatest rival in the same car? At least u know that he won't have a massively better car than u.

Gazelle SG

Not ignorant about the Mclaren group, just trying my best to explain to you that they are in debt and they cant afford to pay like ferrari.

[email protected] SG

I very much doubt it. Like I said, u're missing the subtle signs coming out from Ferrari. They most certainly can afford to pay like Ferrari if they had to. Why do u think they won't have budgeted for that already?

And if u don't know how they make their gazillions other than thru F1 and SLR, how are u not ignorant about the McLaren Group? U call that trying your best to explain they're in debt? By showing me u don't quite know what area of business they engage in besides F1 and making SLRs? I'd say thats not trying very hard, or that your best is really not very good...

one more mistake u're making is this misconception that the McLaren Technology Center is an expenditure. Well, its an investment, and its already starting to pay for itself.

Of course, very simply, u should just give up trying to explain something that isn't true... Wink

Gazelle SG

In business there is what you call core and non core business. For Mclaren, F1 and their involvement with Merc is still their core, all other stuffs are just non core and they dont contribute alot to their bottom line. Gazillion? I dont think so lah...I think the only person with such wealth is Bernie.

MTC is not expenditure, it is a liability untill they are fully paid off. Investment definitely, but what you should be looking at is the Return on Investment?

I think you better just stick to the wheels and stop talking about business. Btw, how many SLR did mclaren sell over the years? And when was the last time they win a championship?

Gazelle SG

Please dont count the chicken before they are hatched. AN just left Mclaren for 4 months, and what you are seeing now is what AN has left behind. you should only make such statement when you see Mclaren new car next season.

If AN and Rory Bryne is easily dispensable, I am wondering why Mclaren tried so hard to keep AN over the last few seasons and Ferrari still offer RB a job as consultant? too much $$? Or is it because aerodynamic is too important for the team to win races?

I think you should stop talking about Ferrari's slump in the past because that has got nothing to do with present and the future. Beating Alonso at Mclaren will not be as great as beating MS at ferrari. No? Seven time world champion leh? Alonso? He got to win because mclaren failed isnt it?

[email protected] SG

yes there are core and non core businesses. So what are u suggesting? that their non core businesses make a few hundred only? If their business dosn't contribute a lot, then why even run it? It might not contribute as much as their racing business alone, but it's still a significant portion of their profit.

Maybe u should stop sounding all "oh i know business and u don't" because it doesn't give u any credibility on the subject either. If i should stick to the wheels, doesn't that mean u should stick to sniffing worn "clothing"?

[email protected] SG

what a rubbish statement! will Ferrari allow anyone to beat MS at Ferrari? Thats not the way their politics operates inside the team. Just saying that alone shows that u're not even talking with a clear head, so no point talking to u further. u just want kimi to head off to ferrari for some weird reason.

Gedanken SG

Okay guys, I'm seeing some very good points coming from both sides here, so let's not ruin things by going offtrack and getting personal here, eh? Smile

One swallow does not a spring make, but Ferrari is not looking good for a second year in a row. Looking at similar struggles that teams like McLaren and Williams have had in recent years, it is not unreasonable to expect that Ferrari may be in the doldrums for quite a while yet.

On the other hand, with the likes of Brawn and Byrne, I wouldn't put it past them to outdo their contemporaries in terms of recovery time. Note that the 2003GA was not a very good car by their standards, but they bounced right back with the 2004 and swept 15 out of 17 races.

As for Kimi's move, it's 6-5 and call 'em. He could well want to prove himself by beating Alonso on equal terms and winning the WDC with McLaren, but on the other hand this long stretch of being the bridesmaid but not the bride has to be getting to him, and it would be equally logical for him to want to join a team where he feels he can win.

Gazelle SG

It is hard to tell from the outside if their other non-core business division are making money. What makes you think they are? Do you have their financial breakdown?

""McLaren Technology Center is an expenditure"" show how much you know about company balance sheet.

Gazelle SG

Ferrari desperately needs to find a MS replacement and the best way to crown the new ""king"" is to let him beat the old king fair and square.

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