i think all of us should read this post if you got time. i just
sped read through it, and i am impressed with the author's thoughts
and presentation. and i think there are a lot of things there that
we can raise up in this thread for discussion.
but i dun wanna start on that now, it's just too many. maybe
tomolo. so go read it, so we might all know wad each other are
talking about. 
think about how you feel (agree or
disagree?) about some of the things said in that post.
