Train Happenings

last SG · 2009-09-08T19:13:52+00:00

Okay, then can you tell me why TOs do not need to listen to drive a train?Then can you tell me why you must reply in such a nasty way?

willis_chong SG

Today I encountered the worst worst incident EVER! A random train fan who got caught while videotaking was sent to the CID building for investigation, and I got involved because that person FRAMED ME BY SAYING THAT I DIRECTED HIM/HER TO TAKE THOSE VIDEOS. AM I SOMEONE WHO WILL DO THAT? IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'LL FILM IT MYSELF ISN'T IT?

TO THE PERSON WHO FRAMED ME, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. I NEARLY GOT DETAINED YOU KNOW THAT?!

Sorry if I got too rude here but that's the case. Also, I don't want to start a flame war here, thanks.

Samuel Lee SG

TO THE PERSON WHO FRAMED ME, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. I NEARLY GOT DETAINED YOU KNOW THAT?!

Sorry if I got too rude here but that's the case. Also, I don't want to start a flame war here, thanks.

Was there some wording misunderstanding? Could it be the CID / the staff asked who else have did such similar acts, and not someone (In this case, you) directing (Or not nicely say, instruct) him / her to take those videos. In this case, it is not called as frame liao, because you took such videos as well. (Under similar act pretext and not who ask / direct / instruct context)

PS: In any case, that train fan is in fault for saying your name, which he / she should have act dumb and say "I dunno". This is what I said the person is not calm. Must practice more by taking DNBs lah, silly!

willis_chong SG

I mean, I acknowledged that I took many train videos, but the officer did ask if I direct the specific person in SGFT to take those videos. Why would I ask him/her to take the videos when I can take them myself? Silly isn't it?

Samuel Lee SG

Alamak, this must be ...........

He / she must be nervous upon seeing such incident, and never listen carefully what the officer says (Unless, the officer is 挑拨离间, meaning, ask the person who did similar act and not direct / instruct but ended up give you a big and harsh warning for directing / instruct instead of say "Friend, you dear friend XX have caught for train videoing, which will XXXX consequence, next time better dont do this similar XXX........ again.", as my stand, this person really made himself silly by doing so and if I ever get to know it, I will condemn for such silliness.

willis_chong SG

Alamak, this must be ...........

Actually, I got questioned... seriously. The call lasted for 20 over minutes know? Not just "Friend, you dear friend XX have caught for train videoing, which will XXXX consequence, next time better dont do this similar XXX........ again.".

And this person claimed that I was doing a school project and directed him/her to help me take videos, therefore "ask the person who did similar act and not direct / instruct" is false. Furthermore, the person also claimed that I asked him to upload those videos at a specific time. Weird isn't it?

Interception_7 SG

Hahaha,

One the many uncountable reasons why I rarely film SMRT trains. Too much restriction. Count yourself lucky for not being detained.

During Mas Selamat's escape, a friend of mine who was recording an express train off Woodlands Rd, got caught by police officers, who thought he intend to pass the clip to terrorist. He got detained for 3hrs before the parents came to clear the mess.

What an experience.

Samuel Lee SG

this is quite fishy..... I think from the context, it looked like use a lie to cover a lie by the train fan, if that were to be the case. Maybe, I suggest, is to create a new thread on how to handle these damn CSOs if such incident happen. Lol! (Coz the person surely nervous, like u kena questioned also got uneasy feeling, and then also nervous and lost, which some probably ended up sprouting nonsense to get the day)

<ADV>: This is why I always wanted to take DNBs, regardless if such acts is legal, will result into such threads deleted / locked, because I want to show that I am smart, and better than u those CSOs (Coward Sucker Officers)

willis_chong SG

Even if you get caught, just say that it's your hobby, problem solved. But to drag someone else in, thats utterly rude, isn't it?

Whoever it is, I hope you feel guilty about this. Being accused of something that you didn't do, the feeling is seriously bad. At least apologise, won't you?

Samuel Lee SG

Even if you get caught, just say that it's your hobby, problem solved. But to drag someone else in, thats utterly rude, isn't it?

Whoever it is, I hope you feel guilty about this. Being accused of something that you didn't do, the feeling is seriously bad. At least apologise, won't you?

+1, this is why I say, in any case, this person is wrong in the first place. It seemed like this wrong is a bigger wrong because there is no precondition on similar act excuse but totally seemed like dragging others in.

willis_chong SG

Yes... Now that the problem is solved, I don't wish to talk about it once more. The purpose of me posting this is to deliver my feelings to this person when he/she reads it. Also I don't want history to repeat itself. Just say it's your hobby, which is 100% true as you're a train enthusiast, not drag someone in and say whoever told you to do this and that...

LTnF1fan SG

OOH. I wonder whos the one that did it. I think lets set a rule from now on lah. Like, what the mature bus fans do, they set the rule of not taking photos in the bus interchange. But it is somewhat impossible for us to not film in the station. So 1st rule I think I want to enforce is when anybody ask us why we are filming the train, introduce ourselves as train fans or smth like that. Anybody who wanna change this rule or add in rules can do so :) . Hopefully this prevents some brain-less people or people who are too afraid to you know...

youyuan SG

I think this idea is great, but to add on we should have a new thread "Is it safe to flim for that day" since like yesterday I saw many "guard" at Raffles Place, City Hall, Paya Lebar (10) and Bedok. So in the end, i did not flim at all. So simple to say, if anybody spotted so many for that day, u should not flim at all and inform everybody thru here or by so others means. What u think?

Interception_7 SG

Have a relay system. If anyone's going for a camp and they think it is not safe, SMS people stating it's unsafe to film for fear you may get caught.

If you are being apprehended by the police, don't rebut them. Instead just introduce yourself politely. If they ask you for your IC or EZ-link card, just give it to them. I've been in this situation before. You may want to say, You are a train enthusiast and we are currently developing SMRT routes for a game. If they do not believe you, you may want to tell them about the SGTrains website, in SGForums..

But hey, you guys all very well know that you have to ask the CSO at the PSC before doing media recording right? You kept telling that to others but you yourself did not go and get permission. Ironic enough huh?

Samuel Lee SG

Have a relay system. If anyone's going for a camp and they think it is not safe, SMS people stating it's unsafe to film for fear you may get caught.

Sometimes they just are elite uncaring, asking them also no use.

Interception_7 SG

Sometimes they just are elite uncaring, asking them also no use.

If they say no, just move away. Why get yourself into extra trouble?

Do you know, they have to answer to the management about you guys? Filming without any written permission..

You guys are just making their job tough. Even I myself film KTM trains also ask the management for permission before filming. No permission = Move away.

Interception_7 SG

If like,

Set the rule, no filming in MRT stations. Why? Same case as Bus Interchange..

smrt3099 SG

Next time, we will not take responsibity nor to offend others who get caught by police

Samuel Lee SG

If they say no, just move away. Why get yourself into extra trouble?

Do you know, they have to answer to the management about you guys? Filming without any written permission..

You guys are just making their job tough. Even I myself film KTM trains also ask the management for permission before filming. No permission = Move away.

This is not called extra trouble. Anyone with some common sense will know to ask permission from station manager / CSO and not the janitor etc. Why, because you all for sure know that janitor does not have the rights to permit or deny.

But are you so sure that the station manager got permission / authority to permit or deny. Sometimes, in pshychologically speaking, when you ask this kind of question, and lucky that they are more passion in trains / people with more sympathy, they may not want to shatter "kiddo's dream" that they allow (When you say allow = take film / video etc) because for sure that they know that we are not one with ill intentions. But can they give permission in the first place? It is not written. By asking them to me is just placebo effect (To make you feel better, when the actual facts is not getting any better). By doing so (Asking station manager / CSO for permission), either they being harsh (Elite and uncaring as defined by me) OR they allow (And they still have to answer to their management, remember, station manager are not ones who write the Rapid Transit Act nor the directors / management of the SMRT / SBST etc railway company), in both ways they are in the losing end. This is something that you and some of the guys dont know and ended up in a flame war. I try to keep tone down, but dont teach and /or tell me what to do. I know the limits.

Samuel Lee SG

Today:

021/022 train in LTE, dont know why the STARIS shows 3 lights in TNM, XPO and CGA until it went to Aljunied. After that, it tends to hang at Kallang and Raffles Place. (It is weird because until City Hall then it showed the correct one and after Raffles Place, it hangs there, with moments of showing TGP etc)

The door side is not working.

alstom metropolis SG

+1.

After all,unlike buses,that stop conviently at bus stops where you can snap away all you want,the only(most likely) place to do what we desire is the station.At this rate...... All I can say is that i feel more of a pest than a human to society.

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