Bullet Train from China to Singapore by 2014

C751A 70049/70050 SG

So if Woodlands station is the terminus of the bullet train railway, do it need a new depot and renovate or expand to Gali Batu Depot (DTL) as a station and depot like Tanjong Pagar station?

Cant be GBD. A new depot near there or even somewhere in JB / overseas is likely. Depot in SG for SKRL is as good as having a depot of EWL / NSL in City Hall.

sni1996 SG

So where the depot in SG would likely to be?

C751A 70049/70050 SG

So where the depot in SG would likely to be?

There wont be depot in SG.

sni1996 SG

So if the depot is in JB, most probably it will be located west of JB near Port of Tanjung Pelepas? My opinion.

C751A 70049/70050 SG

Honestly, I dunno why they did not choose to extend the line to become JKRL (Jakata - Kunning Rail Link)?

Interception_7 SG

I/We need source. Do you have any sources ?

The only thing I heard of is Singapore - Kunming rail link. Which means, the countries all will be connected by railway. Probably the purpose is to transport goods, and maybe pax also.

To build a bullet train, one must study whether it is feasible to have such project to be executed. With such limited time, I have to say it is quite impossible to build a railway line in 3 years time (counting 2011).

I am sure this is the Singapore - Kunming rail link, a project proposed by ASEAN since 1995.

105090 SG

hmm.
what i think is this. they trying to say we can take trains to china, but not one shot

MRT to johor
KTM to Thailand
then from bangkok the bullet ttrain starts?

dont think bullet trains will come singapore

C751A 70049/70050 SG

I/We need source. Do you have any sources ?

The only thing I heard of is Singapore - Kunming rail link. Which means, the countries all will be connected by railway. Probably the purpose is to transport goods, and maybe pax also.

I am sure this is the Singapore - Kunming rail link, a project proposed by ASEAN since 1995.

Is true for Singapore - Kunming rail link. I agree the timeframe is too short for a bullet train, even a usual MRT. (Our SG MRT not even 50km also need 7 years to build, this one involves thousands of km, but most likely on ground level so time saved for excavating the tunnels.)

But I believe with mass pump of resources (Involvement of many countries), maybe that be both speed up (When they work together) and slow down (When there are disagreements to be resolved) the entire project.

C751A 70049/70050 SG

Well, but MRT cannot carry goods, this is not KTM. Wont it lack the purpose?

Well, I do agree that I dont think bullet train is capable of goods carrying unless the interior is modified. (I doubt bullet train is designed to carry loads as well)

Interception_7 SG

As far as I know, they are left with one more link before completion.

sni1996 SG

http://www.aseansec.org/Fact%20Sheet/AEC/2007-AEC-010.pdf for more details.

sni1996 SG

Bullet train and MRT meet at the same station, maybe?

C751A 70049/70050 SG

As far as I know, they are left with one more link before completion.

In the assumption of non-high speed train, and it would be using based on existing KTM tracks from Singapore to China? Then the operating rights how? Then recent KTM move out by next year how?

sni1996 SG

Malaysia's Padang Besar KTM station could be another depot too and the KTM tracks also needed to be improve for a bullet train standard like welded rails for less vibration track.

Interception_7 SG

In the assumption of non-high speed train, and it would be using based on existing KTM tracks from Singapore to China? Then the operating rights how? Then recent KTM move out by next year how?

KTM move out next year is uptill Woodlands. It will still be operational, until 2018 when the two governments decide to make a rapid transit system between Singapore and Johor. Operating rights should be still on KTM unless there is a change, which I doubt so since we do not have any railway companies, apart from SMRT and SBST.

Malaysia's Padang Besar KTM station could be another depot too and the KTM tracks also needed to be improve for a bullet train standard like welded rails for less vibration track.

I must say again, bullet train is nearly impossible here to be built. We have to look at a number of factors. First thing, the gauge between each country is different. Next, with such limited time, building one in 3 years time is more than a death railway.

So currently, do not hope for bullet trains from Singapore - Kunming. Unless there are official news releases, then we are able to assume, but not make speculations out of it.

i_luv_erky SG

hmmm.... why are you're talking about? What IMH, Whitely Road.. hospital ???
?????

We're talking about the bullet trains...

BTW, It's true if the bullet train reaches Singapore (via Woodlands).... the top speed in Singapore Island may be low due to our island are densely packed. So the top speed maybe only 150km/h ??

Interception_7 SG

As I said, to have bullet trains, the whole network have to be rebuilt and have the same gauge throughout the network. Some may used standard guage, some narrow gauge. We need to have a consistent gauge so that it'd be much efficient.

NickLim™ SG

I've tried explaining to you guys through Interception_7 on his first post in this thread, but it seems like you guys don't get it yet. Lemme explain then.

There will be no bullet trains.

The news is talking about the Singapore - Kunming Rail Link. How do I know? I watched probably the same piece of news i_luv_erky watched on Channel 8. Currently, the main missing link is in Cambodia, through to Vietnam. The main problem now is the railway here is split into 3 sections: Singapore to Laos via Friendship Bridge, the Myanmmar Railways, and Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City) to Kunming. From Kunming, it is already possible to travel to the rest of Russia and Europe, just that it takes about 28 days.

The purpose of the Singapore - Kunming Rail Link when it was planned in the 1990s was to provide landbridge services in order to free up shippuing routes in the region, not for bullet trains. The current CRH system ends at Kunming. The only possible time to take the bullet train would be to take a KTM train up to Butterworth, then SRT to Bangkok, SRT again to Aranyaphrathet or Map Taphut, Vietnam Railways to Hanoi, again from Hanoi to Kunming, and continue your journey by CHR there. However, that line only operates at 250km/h and will not hit 350km/h. The CHR extension to Kunming completes in 2014 coincidentaly, so that's where your confusion may come from.

However, I have to say that the Singapore Kunming Rail Link is meant for landbridge services. This means only a change of locomotives is needed at the border checkpoint. The goods would probably be transferred to another train in Vietnam as they have dual gauge tracks (both standard gauge and meter gauge). Only passengers need to get on and off as all Asian railways except China and North Korea do not alow each other's coaches to be attached to another's rake. This is some kind of agreement they signed with the European Union of which I forgot the name. If you understood my above paragraph, it means that you can sit in a North Korean coach on a Russian Train rake, then sit on the same coach on a Chinese train rake and finally into North Korea on a North Korean train rake. However, this route is not opened for tourists, but for North Koreans only.

If you still want to discuss about bullet trains to Singapore, the closest for you is between KL and Singapore only. And that project has been said on and off for years, so yeah.

alstom metropolis SG

There will be no bullet trains.

Phew!

seyKai SG

many years ago, malaysia did ask the Japanese to build shikansen.

the construction and maintenance cost was not justified as they were insufficient passenger.

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