Circle Line Stages 1 & 2

last SG · 2009-10-18T16:57:12+00:00

so anybody is going on sat morning for the first train for either side?

Khairiano SG

Went for open house today but had very little time to explore. Thanks for the vid! I didnt notice the branch to the left side as I was intrigued by what went on on the right...

Same direction as the vid I was travelling from ESP to Promenade. I noticed when the train was going very slowly, there was a track that branched RIGHT into a dead end and after awhile, another dead end would branch back to the line... Did anyone notice? I have a feeling this one is for DTL (possible crossover) and the closed platform is CCLe.

From the vid I can't see where it branches out but at 2:25 can see one track branch back in.

Opinions?

posible could be Circle Line extension (marina Bay) from right
but from left could be Downtown or CCLe

Scania96 SG

I saw it but i think that there is still no track yet, And the wall i knock is actually temporary wall.

youyuan SG

I saw it but i think that there is still no track yet, And the wall i knock is actually temporary wall.

wodden board wall right, i knock it look like wood.

Khairiano SG

wodden board wall right, i knock it look like wood.

yes... i no need to nock.. i look at it.. and i know.. its a plywood wall =)

Scania96 SG

yes... i no need to nock.. i look at it.. and i know.. its a plywood wall =)

Yah. The more i look at it, the more it look like Raffles Place/City Hall. Can see by the light, speaker and signboard arrangement and also the Dhoby Ghaut platform quite small, dont you think so?

Khairiano SG

Yah. The more i look at it, the more it look like Raffles Place/City Hall. Can see by the light, speaker and signboard arrangement and also the Dhoby Ghaut platform quite small, dont you think so?

yeap.. look like City hall for me.. hehe

Samuel Lee SG

This is what I drew for Promendae issue:

It cant be DTL, becoz of the diagram above. I even suspect, there is no chance to use the dotted black line, due to a change to inital plan since it requires a modification to the existing tracks. Or, there might be a chance, the dead end, will to connect to CCL Extension, as an off service / direct route from Marymount / Harbourfront (Via Bishan), and connect it with another rail that is splitted into 2 such as this:

SMRT 32373238 SG

This is what I drew for Promendae issue:

No offense but i think your first diagram is wrong... even though its a dead end now it will not be a dead end eventually cos before that there was a branch out to the dead end before the dead end joins back. They don't do this stuff for nothing!

Samuel Lee SG

No offense . First Diagram is only focused on the current one. And there is a remark "CCLE on 2012?" is meant to speculate it without details. That image was used and created to let people in BVE forum to create CCL, which right now do not need any speculation details.

azharjj SG

This is what I drew for Promendae issue:

i think the dead end is for CCL stage 5 in the future, where the circle line will complete its full circle from promenade to harbourfront

then, the tracks (black dotted line) i think is like changi airport shuttle (promenade to dhoby ghaut)

well, thats what i think. i may be wrong

SMRT 32373238 SG

oops didnt read properly.

stage 5? u mean from marina bay to HBF? what diff does it make even if it completes the circle or not? It still branches out to Bayfront right?

youyuan SG

CCL Videos

[CCL Discovery] (Tai Seng Bound) SMRT C830 - 012 - Train ride from Dhoby Ghaut to Esplanade

[CCL Discovery] (Tai Seng Bound) SMRT C830 - 012 - Train ride from Esplanade to Nicoll Highway

[CCL Discovery] (Tai Seng Bound) SMRT C830 - 012 - Train ride from Nicoll Highway to Mountbatten

[CCL Discovery] (Tai Seng Bound) SMRT C830 - 012 - Train ride from Mountbatten to Paya Lebar

[CCL Discovery] (Tai Seng Bound) SMRT C830 - 012 - Train ride from Paya Lebar to Tai Seng

Samuel Lee SG

i think the dead end is for CCL stage 5 in the future, where the circle line will complete its full circle from promenade to harbourfront

then, the tracks (black dotted line) i think is like changi airport shuttle (promenade to dhoby ghaut)

well, thats what i think. i may be wrong

No, black dotted cant be Promenade to Dhoby Ghaut given that considerations must be made to existing Harbourfront Via Bishan / Marymount will then how? Since, given that between Nicoll Highway to Promendae does not have any crossovers / or provisions for that (A weird shaped tunnel, where one of the side is getting wider or such).

But I believe, if Bayfront is NOT a stack, then there is a great chance that daily first train from Promendae to Marina Bay is using the current platform (Towards DBG), go straight instead of right towards Bayfront & Marina Bay. Then, it returns to Promendae like my second diagram, and use a new, opposite of current platform. BUT the issue is, there does not seemed to have provisions for that :( , so it might jolly well as a wasted platform.

My personal view is that, since between Marina Bay - Harbourfront Via Bishan is not feasible due to amount of C830s, and the track diagram does not allow trains from Dakota to Paya Lebar using Middle Platform (Only from MacPherson, too bad), and using Promendae as terminus of the Marina Bay Extension may not be the choice, due to the need to replace the existing tracks to "slanted X shaped crossover", where the age of changing the tracks, is simply too new to do so, I think the authority may choose to ply trains between Marina Bay - Mountbatten, and when the train leaves Stadium, it uses the middle track towards Mountbatten, and terminates the train at Mountbatten Dhoby Ghaut bound. Of course, they may do a "sliding method" like present LTE, such that they get everyone alight at Stadium, terminates the train in the middle track, and resume service on Stadium towards Marina Bay.

In Summary, the feasible options on top of Dhoby Ghaut - Harbourfront Via Bishan Full train are:

1: Promendae - Marina Bay shuttle train

2: Marina Bay - Harbourfront full train

3: Marina Bay - Stadium / Mountbatten (BTW, the last train from Marymount terminates at Mountbatten)

sgbuses SG

In Summary, the feasible options on top of Dhoby Ghaut - Harbourfront Via Bishan Full train are:

1: Promendae - Marina Bay shuttle train

2: Marina Bay - Harbourfront full train

3: Marina Bay - Stadium / Mountbatten (BTW, the last train from Marymount terminates at Mountbatten)

Why draw all over again when someone else has done it for you!

wodden board wall right, i knock it look like wood.

CCLe and DTL tunnels run parallel under the river and are already completed! (DTL1 newsletter/no. 10) The diagram in the newsletter is specific; CCLe left and DTL1 on the right.

You might think it does not make sense for Circle Line (Marina branch) and Downtown Line to run parallel. But during planning, they would have considered

(1) saving the pain of passengers having to change around again at Promendae since both lines are heading to different ends of the island OR/AND
(2) do a Raffles Place style track swtiching, since Bayfront would be the middle of the Downtown Line (if you take Stage 3 into consideration).

smrt3099 SG

Is not really stage 5, but its stage 6

Samuel Lee SG

Why draw all over again when someone else has done it for you!

CCLe and DTL tunnels run parallel under the river and are already completed! (DTL1 newsletter/no. 10) The diagram in the newsletter is specific; CCLe left and DTL1 on the right.

I have seen it before, but at first I do not comprehend the graphics. But thanks anyway :D

Given from what you have posted, it seemed that although the other side of CCL Promendae platform is also another unused platform, which the forumers here know, but the verdict is it is a useless platform for a very long time. Sad.....

NickLim™ SG

Using diagrams provided by Samuel Lee, sgbuses and some of my personal observations, I have deduced the following track diagram:

Notes: Up Lines and Down Lines are provided as reference according to the direction of train travel and may or may not relate to the actual track diagram. Track diagram does not include ATP blocks. Bugis and Bayfront stations are not drawn in as I have not seen the actual track diagrams and geographical layout if it yet.

Samuel Lee SG

Using diagrams provided by Samuel Lee, sgbuses and some of my personal observations, I have deduced the following track diagram:

To NickLim: Nice effort, but, not meant to offend you, that the diagram is incorrect, given the sgbuses' LTA map shown a marking of A4 is "Proposed Promendae Station", this shown clearly, that DTL station cannot be at the same spot as CCL, as if it is a City Hall or Raffles Place.

But, if your DTL is drawn below than the CCL (B4 or even B5), and put the DTL Promendae station on the right, I believe, chances are, you have got it right.

sbs&tibs SG

I have many doubts, especially on the directions of the tracks.

I believe the two new built platforms are meant for the CCL extension. But this design would mean that the train from CCLE would have to intersect on the current CCL track. Am I right to say that two new platforms have no link towards the Stadium?

I wonder why the CCL is designed to stop at the current platforms, and not at the unopened platforms. Is it because of the sharp turning? If that's the case, the assume CCLE have to intersect.

Based on the plan sgbuses has put up, that new and unused platforms is definitely not for Downtown line because of the distance of the stations, and another reason is the different type of tracks.

NickLim™ SG

But, if your DTL is drawn below than the CCL (B4 or even B5), and put the DTL Promendae station on the right, I believe, chances are, you have got it right.

It's possible. From what I observed while travelling from Esplanade to Nicoll Highway, the current track do not meet with the unused tunnel after Promenade station. This means that the tunnel just ends there, or curves left. If DTL will use a new station, this means that this is a shuttle platform with a buffer at the end, as I have predicted and posted in my Facebook album.

With this edit, please ignore the left turn after Promenade station towards Bugis, and use the brown lines as the Promenade - Marina Bay shuttle line.

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