How to film trains safely & reaction to unfriendly CSOs

Samuel Lee SG

This thread is created for train enthus to film train safely and not offending others. It is not meant to learn these and do any thing illegal, such as suicide or planning terrorism attacks etc.

These are my suggestions:

1: Do it smartly, do not be too obvious.

2: Do not film passengers, regardless how he / she is handsome / pretty or some "funny acts" such as you know what to do when you are attached later. People will think that you are pervert, afterall we are not meant to stomp people.

Apart of the 2 common sense, IF you are caught by staff, here is what you should do and dont. Things need to work both in hard and soft ways

3: No matter how hard he condemn, in a super unfriendly tone, DONT be afraid. There are NO signboards on NO Filming, unlike No Eating and Drinking, No treaspass to tracks (So this is not meant to suicide, afterall this method is very painful and there are many other ways apart of suicide), No flammable goods, No Smoking etc. So they cannot do much XXXX to you. (Must be 'man' -- Hard way, even if you are a girl. But, is there female train enthu out here??)

4: When they ask for your parents phone number, just say they dont have. Relax, they cant know the details (Or else WTF they ask in the first place). Instead, give yours (Esp. on handphone filming). You dont want such things to get involved your parents and next time they give you curfew and probably ban you from taking train videos. Dude -- your parents working so hard not meant to pay fine to these crooks. (Hard way)

5: You can give them your address, real one. They are not likely to use that, or do a house visit. (I tried before lol. Using a soft approach here gives some respect to them and obviously, you cant be dumb until you dunno / dont have a house because this is Singapore.)

6: You should surrender your IC / Ezlink card. Probably you bring them out unless you tap in / out fugaratively. (Unless you use adult EZlink card -- lol, say you dont bring IC. --- Soft way)

7: Always ADMIT that you are a train fan / curious on these hobby such as train spotting when you are asked what the **** are you doing? Do not fabric lies OR drag others in. This is EVEN if the CSO or Police ask you who else are doing similar acts and asking for Youtube account. As I repeat, even if they can asked the Prime Minister, President AND the Minister of Ministry of Defense (In charge of Army) along with Minster of Home Affairs (With ISD, one who deals with terrorist and police), they cant do a **** to you. Unless, that is -- they have evidence to say that you are filming for terrorism purpose OR your videos contains like filming women (Pervertic acts, then this is you business as I already forewarned NOT to do these. In this case, you should use a hard way and be DUMB and no matter what, do not give out any details of other train fans. As one saying,“ 一人做事一人当”, meaning one person do things one person shall shoulder the responsibility, do NOT drag others to accompany you to "death". There is NO EXCEPTION to this.

8: Do not be fooled by policemen, CID or the staff citing there is a police record. There is no such nonsense unless you are charged in court AND get jailed because of it. No exception, even if you ended up with a fine. So, unless you planned to run election -- which there is a limit of amount to be fined or kenaed jailed for a certain length will disqualify you being a candidate, kena fined is just wasting your money only and will not affect your future, with a bad record and you can still participate world beauty contest, IF you are a girl, obviously (Not like the Pasir Ris Low lol!). And nobody can just anyhow charge you due to this unless the video has malicious purpose which I wont repeat. (Hard way again)

9: Apologize to them later, and thank them for letting you off, because any staff will do that surely is in the bad mood. (Includes attempting to board DNBs, which will cause them real inconvience and btw, they can fine people for doing dangerous acts, which boarding DNB when the doors are closing is one of them BUT not filming trains.) This is a soft approach.

10: More maybe added later.

Interception_7 SG

This is just pure bull****.

You want film, go get written permission.

NickLim™ SG

This thread is created for train enthus to film train safely and not offending others. It is not meant to learn these and do any thing illegal, such as suicide or planning terrorism attacks etc.

These are my suggestions:

1: Do it smartly, do not be too obvious.

Apart of the 2 common sense, IF you are caught by staff, here is what you should do and dont. Things need to work both in hard and soft ways

6: You should surrender your IC / Ezlink card. Probably you bring them out unless you tap in / out fugaratively. (Unless you use adult EZlink card -- lol, say you dont bring IC. --- Soft way)

10: More maybe added later.

I thought someone posted in the forum to "get written permission from the CSOs first" because "they wanna cover backside, we wanna cover backside also"? Hypocrites at their best.

tranquilice SG

I suppose filming and taking photos will be allowed at next Sunday CCL open house?

willis_chong SG

I suppose filming and taking photos will be allowed at next Sunday CCL open house?

Yes. It's allowed since it's an event.

tintinspartan SG

CCL open house is ok but i want to warn you, sometimes, SMRT stationmaster do not allow photography at some stations. When i took picture of the NEW BOON LAY INT construction in 2007 from Boon Lay MRT, the stationmaster told me not to take picture.

Interception_7 SG

CCL is ok but i want to warn you, sometimes, SMRT stationmaster do not allow photography at some stations. When i took picture of the NEW BOON LAY INT construction in 2007 from Boon Lay MRT, the stationmaster told me not to take picture.

If so, did you heed his order?

loki_chaos SG

Actually, why go the extend of doing such guides when actually you can just simply bluff your way through with a friend? Just claim that you're fliming your friend instead of the train when actually what you are doing is the opposite.

With your friend around, others won't probably think the way you claim them to be, just that they might want to get away from the two of you.

Or maybe you might want to consider this to be point no. 10.

tintinspartan SG

With your friend around, others won't probably think the way you claim them to be, just that they might want to get away from the two of you.

Or maybe you might want to consider this to be point no. 10.

Don't lie to yourself.

willis_chong SG

Boon Lay MRT is an existing station. You're taking pics in a station in operation, obviously it's not allowed.

willis_chong SG

With your friend around, others won't probably think the way you claim them to be, just that they might want to get away from the two of you.

Or maybe you might want to consider this to be point no. 10.

-1. Lying is discouraged. Tell the truth and say you're a train enthusiast.

LTnF1fan SG

The thing here to say is that you should just admit you are a train fan as long as you are one of us lor, don't have to create so much trouble for yourself in the end. Having such a hobby is not wrong after all. They are only concerned you are 1) terrorist 2) competitor and thats it.

Bus and Train LoVuR SG

I suppose filming and taking photos will be allowed at next Sunday CCL open house?

Last year's CCL discovery , we also can take photos/ videos.

Samuel Lee SG

This is just pure bull****.

You want film, go get written permission.

No, one should not get written permission because they do things too inefficient. Remember somebody said "Photocopies 2 copies and need to wait for 3 working days" or sort of in a movie? Lol!

Anyway, to me they are just elite uncaring face (Pun intended). So talking to them nicely is no use unless you are terrorist / wana suicide or boarding DNBs.

PS: It is ok to say boarding DNB is wrong because there is a rule in MRT regulations that states no one shall mount / attempt to mount onto non passenger service train or similar wordings.

If anyone can find similar rules that is stated black and white only from MRT regulations / act, I will gladly accept your suggestion.

Samuel Lee SG

Boon Lay MRT is an existing station. You're taking pics in a station in operation, obviously it's not allowed.

Then how do one get destos for (Open)BVE? Obviously one will need such destos as station object, be it above or underground one.

Samuel Lee SG

With your friend around, others won't probably think the way you claim them to be, just that they might want to get away from the two of you.

Or maybe you might want to consider this to be point no. 10.

I wont put that as point number 10, because it is not the best idea and not everyone can meet their friends at anytime.

Samuel Lee SG

By the way, there are certain tips you need to remember:

1: Dont be too straight in thinking.

Example: (Based on a dunno true or not story in TV) -- Summarized version

A group of people in Hong Kong due to some heated arguments, have killed a guy somehow. These murders, (Dun care whether manslaughter or murderer whatever legal term, so long as they have somehow kill people with or without intention can liao) obviously scared and the first thing they did was to destroy evidence.

However, such acts will not be condoned by the law and what happened was the police had somehow managed to find bits of clue and evidence, ended up arresting them as prime suspect.

During the interrogration, a CID asked one of them: "Did you killed anyone?"

"No! Ah - Sir, plz believe me! I NEVER kill someone!!!!!!"....... replied by the person, and probably with tears or whatever .... (For dramatic effect lah, sapport leh! :D)

So, the CID asked him one last question, after a repeated standard answer from this suspect, and wasting many hours on this dude.....

The question was "Did you handle the dead bodies? Actually, the consequences for murderer and handling dead bodies are different. One can be imprisoned by life due to murder and the latteral is not following the standard procedures by the Town Council, which requires to be declared and the consequences is just some amount of fine."

And the suspect was thinking so straight that answer "yes, I did handle a dead body in XXX (The time) but I did not killed a person." OMG! This resulted the CID say: We now have evidence to say that you are (one of) the murderer for this case, we will be now officially charged you for murder."

And you know what will be the next reaction lah.......

The moral of the story is, apart of one person do one person shoulder the responsibility's man act, it makes some logical and psychological thinking that

Maybe a staff will ask this question when caught a person do train filming:

1: Who had instructed you to do all these? Do you know that such ***** acts is not allowed and will ......XXXX?!!!

The filmmer most likely will say: No, nobody asked me / instructed me. This is done solely by me.

2: So who else in Youtube got take those train videos. Better admit!

The filmmer may say: So and so.....

OMG! The staff is just bluffing you and used another tactics to find out who the hell is doing such and probably believe that such method is good to find out who instructed for such "nonsense" where in fact no, and created a bloo** mess now.

Now, you guys maybe a small kiddo that have not completed secondary school or even PSLE, but trust me, I know what I am doing, and certain things just need to use some intellect. This is why I say there are NO Exception to Point 7. See, human hearts are complex one de. Dont be naive!

It will be hard to understand various tactics, if not, many youngsters or even adults also wont get conned, in many social aspect. (Ok, pai seh for OT a bit here. I shall stop now)

Interception_7 SG

No, one should not get written permission because they do things too inefficient. Remember somebody said "Photocopies 2 copies and need to wait for 3 working days" or sort of in a movie? Lol!

Anyway, to me they are just elite uncaring face (Pun intended). So talking to them nicely is no use unless you are terrorist / wana suicide or boarding DNBs.

PS: It is ok to say boarding DNB is wrong because there is a rule in MRT regulations that states no one shall mount / attempt to mount onto non passenger service train or similar wordings.

If anyone can find similar rules that is stated black and white only from MRT regulations / act, I will gladly accept your suggestion.

Excuse me but it's very contradicting since someone has said earlier to get a permission by the staff? But in the end he himself did not have any permission at all.

So what if they have elite uncaring face as quoted by you? If they don't let you film, why be a rascal and continue to do things like it's your own world.

I am not siding anyone here, not SMRT staff, not you guys, but I'm speaking out the truth. What I am feeling.

If you guys REALLY want to continue and behave like this, what would the public view you as train enthusiast? Recently you guys just got in to the papers.

I am really really disappointed at how you guys, stubbornly want to continue to film MRT trains or taking photos. Can't you guys do it outside the premises?

Samuel Lee SG

Excuse me but it's very contradicting since someone has said earlier to get a permission by the staff? But in the end he himself did not have any permission at all.

So what if they have elite uncaring face as quoted by you? If they don't let you film, why be a rascal and continue to do things like it's your own world.

I am not siding anyone here, not SMRT staff, not you guys, but I'm speaking out the truth. What I am feeling.

If you guys REALLY want to continue and behave like this, what would the public view you as train enthusiast? Recently you guys just got in to the papers.

I am really really disappointed at how you guys, stubbornly want to continue to film MRT trains or taking photos. Can't you guys do it outside the premises?

There is a difference between rational and emotional side. Sure, the rational side will say this is wrong. But in the first place, who are these CSOs got the authority to give such permission when there is no such rule (Not known by me, but I will be more than willing to amend it when anybody can show prove otherwise)!!! As I say, unless you can quote on the Rapid Transit Act or such in Singaporean Law as proof / evidence that such things need to have permission by staff (Or even, there is a chance that it is strictly not allowed, which by right, then asking for their permission is NO USE because isnt that contradicating as well?), then your point is valid which = dont do this kind of videoing. You are in fact siding SMRT staff, which most of such I regard as "SMLJ" instead.

I am really disappointed with your comments either.

I wont comment on emotional side because it is quite common sense.

Below is removed in the sense that I was a bit heated up just now.

Just that the KTM railway need to ask the station manager for permission does not equal to asking permission from station manager in MRT is workable. Do remember that certain such videos are train rides between station to station. Sure I can ask for Station A's (Starting point) station manager and he / she agrees does not mean Station B's (Destination) station manger is aware and willing to agree on such which is even more contradicating.

I hope that anyone can give a debate here. Afterall, the younger generation are the next nation leader, who need to represent people and can speak up in parliment. Lol!

fudgester SG

I am really disappointed with your comments either.

I wont comment on emotional side because it is quite common sense.

I hope that anyone can give a debate here. Afterall, the younger generation are the next nation leader, who need to represent people and can speak up in parliment. Lol!

Then in that case, by your own admission, you are discarding rationality for your own emotions. And that is really not a good thing to admit to.

Never mind about the rules being dumb, never mind about the rules not being set in stone - like it or not, the station staff has authority, and you don't. You know, this is really the reason why you guys get mocked on occasion.... how do you want the public to respect you if you behave like this?

I am not saying that you cannot follow your passion for trains. What I am saying is that your passion for trains does not give you the right to behave like a hooligan in defiance of authority.

If you really want people to not mock you guys for being train enthusiasts and see you guys as being pests, then for goodness' sake, be a good person, listen to authority, and seek permission before you do any filming.