Regarding China Eratat

eagle SG

I was about the give my opinions on China Eratat for an earlier thread, which I think has been deleted.

Would like to share my view which I typed out, but didn't manage to post before the thread was deleted:

China Textile companies aren't a good fundamental buy at all.

1) Low barrier to entry.
2) Highly competitive.
3) Traditionally low margins. It would be very suspicious if the margins are high.

And the weird thing is, why the need for placements for $13.45m cash on Jan 2011 when the company has $30+m cash in its balance as of end Dec 2010?
==> This is suspicious.

And if the cash is needed for growth, why bother to give dividends of total $2+m? Giving dividends not only deplete cash (if needed), but also incurs extra unnecessary expenses.
==> Suspicious too.

Anyway, this placement didn't go through. I think Mr. Khoo wrote an article for this week's The Edge as well.

Trustfund Hippie SG

First of all by the way, it's Eratat Lifestyle, not China Eratat.

Regarding Placement:

Have a look at this. http://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/story-archive-mainmenu-60/912-2011/3549-eratat-97-surge-in-latest-quarterly-net-profit-and-why-it-wants-to-place-out-shares

CFO Ken Ho was specifically asked during the briefing how the placement would affect expansion plans - the simple answer is that with the placement would allow them to grow even faster, but that even if the placement does not through, their expansion plans including the launching of the new Eratat Premium Product Line will continue to go through.

They feel that the placement with CMIA will also add credibility and raise the profile of the company, as CMIA is a well-recognized fund known for long-term investments in China's growth, in particular its rapidly growing consumer market, as China transforms from a manufacturing-export dominated economy into one that is consumption--focused.

With all the blanket-stereotypically negative sentiment towards and distrust of Chinese companies going on in the Singapore market, the establishment of a major fund such as CMIA as a major shareholder, which according to Ken Ho spent 2 months doing its due diligence on Eratat's balance sheets prior to the attempted placement, also serves to increase investor confidence in the reliability of its numbers.

Despite doubling profit over the last 2 quarters on a year-on-year basis, Eratat has actually decreased its dividend payout ratio, presumably because it wishes to retain more cash for expansion. However, to eliminate the periodical dividend payouts altogether would be rather drastic and may induce negative investor sentiment over its cash position, since it has a policy of regular dividend-payouts, as long as this constitutes only a small percentage of its cash position, as is the case with this 2 million, I wouldn't be too worried and am in fact pleased as an investor that they are sharing profits with us.

eagle SG

It is merely a name change from China Eratat since mid 2010.

Doesn't mask the fact that it is still an S-chip.

The same goes for Dapai, once China Zaino. The books appear suspicious as well.

Btw, all CEOs have to make their plans sound nice. If CMIA wants a share of Eratat, they can jolly well buy direct from SGX market. The two points remain that why the need for a placement of 13m when they have 36m cash and can still give out 2m worth of dividends.

Clivebenss SG

sound like china errata.

eagle SG

One more thing, big funds entering doesn't mean they are right. Tradewinds Global Investor entered China Hongxing in Jan2011, and Hongxing is now suspended for accounting irregularities. Hongxing has been giving dividends too. Think about it.

Trustfund Hippie SG

No one is denying that it's still an s-chip, I like certain s-chips like Eratat because they are sorely undervalued due to the blanket judgements done by most local investors on Chinese companies listed here as unreliable, they fear these companies, I like to purchase when people fear, especially irrationally - because it cannot be the case that all of the few hundred Chinese companies listed in Singapore are lying about their balance sheets, that is statistically extremely unlikely. It also helps that Eratat is rated second by the Business Times among all Chinese companies in terms of corporate transperency. Yes I'm not saying that you can be 100% sure about anything, but then again there are risks with every investment.

CMIA can buy from the open market, but we're talking about 65 million lots here. Eratat's daily volume is barely a few million. If they were to buy from the open market, it may well cause Eratat's share price to skyrocket before they can complete the bulk of their purchase - hence the desire to negotiate for a placement. Also, they're going to become a major shareholder that participates in management, their experience and networks in the Chinese market may well also open doors for Eratat. Coupled with the fact that their addition raises the profile and credibility of the company, CMIA may well feel that they also have a feel bargaining chips to bring to the table. Eratat has shown so far that it is able to turn its excess cash into profits and I therefore see no reason not to be confident that the increased cashed position from the placement can be translated into increased profitability.

2 million is much smaller than 13 million. The 13 million will serve only to bolster its expansion plans but as CFO Ken Ho has said, is not critical to its expansion plans, which is why they would not simply settle for any deal.

As for why they are still giving out divdends, as already explained in my previous point, to eliminate dividends altogether decreases investors' confidence - they have compromised and are in fact paying less dividends, both on a prorated absolute basis and in terms of payout ratio compared to last year, despite doubling net profit over the last 2 quarters, retaining a higher proportion of cash to facilitate expansion plans.

eagle SG

To me, not eliminating dividends so as not to decrease investors confidence isn't a good reason at all. A growth company that is well managed should never distribute its dividends if it has much better use for the money.

Next, companies seeking for growth and are confident about it will give shareholders a better deal by growing via debts instead of growing on net cash. Getting a huge placement with no concrete plans other than to increase the cash level will severely dilute existing shareholders. Any EPS or any dividends to be received will be severely diluted in the future as well, unless profits can grow just as fast.

Disregarding the above and the fact of being S-chip, the first 3 points I raised in the first post are sufficient to make me not touch this for a long term play. A world famous investor mentioned in his most recent shareholders letter that it was his mistake to have moved into the textile industry. I guess you should know who he is.

It's your money. You decide.

Btw, FYI, there is no "few hundred Chinese companies listed in Singapore" at the moment.

unclebutcher SG

one more point to add on:

look at eratat’s cash balance: RMB 159,319,000

Interest earned on that amount: RMB 154,000

Interest rate: 0.01%.

I believe PRC’s interest rate is 1.5% thereabouts.

Trustfund Hippie SG

A growth company should never distribute dividends? Can we categorically say that it is statistically proven that growth companies that pay dividends, even if only amounting to a tiny fraction of their cash position grow less than growth companies that pay absolutely no dividends at all? I highly doubt that any statistical analysis would show this, and even in the unlikely scenario that it does, it also does not imply that every growth company that pays dividends would tend not to grow. Common sense would tell you that with a bit of research, it would not be difficult to find a growth company in any market out there that has had a policy of paying dividends throughout the years but still managed significant growth through the years, especially if the dividends amount only to a small fraction of net profits, hardly detrimental to the growth plans of any company.

Conceivably, not paying dividends at all, especially in the case of s-chips given the unfortunately negative perception that every Chinese company listed in Singapore is tarnished by at the moment due to a few bad eggs would actually signifcantly decrease the stock price of the company, because it could be the case that local investors perceive dividend payouts by Chinese companies to be a validation of its profits and cash position. Whether this is the case is difficult to verify but this is conceivably how the management perceives the situation to be and that therefore not paying dividends would actually result in negative perceptions due to factors out of its control, and that therefore eliminating dividends would not be in the interest of its shareholders.

Furthermore, with working capital amounting to the region of 480 million RMB, it does not seem that paying dividends amounting to 10 million RMB would signficantly affect expansion plans, the benefits of protecting investor sentiment quite possibly outweigh the the opportunity cost of not using that 10 million RMB for growth. It's hardly as if it's 65 million RMB, if it was paying 65 million RMB in dividends and then getting a placement amounting to that I would certainly be concerned - but that is hardly the case at all.

It is also surely an oversimplifcation to say that every company in the textile industry will fail. The growth stories of the likes of the many famous apparel/fashion accessories companies around the world tell the story - Nike, Kappa, Esprit, Polo or even Chinese equivalents like Li Ning, Anta and 361 Degrees tell the story - compare their prices from as far back as 8 years ago to what they are now - we're talking about multi-multi-baggers here. I'm not saying Eratat will definitely be another one of them but I'm optimistic and bullish based on what I've seen so far - not only is it a potentially great growth story, it is also potentially highly undervalued at a forward PE of between 3 to 4 due to the blanket negative sentiment that s-chips are currently suffering from, resulting them in many of them being in prices and valuations that you would only normally only see during a recession for other companies.

As for Uncle Butcher and your point about loans, please read up on the loan situation in China, it is not as simple as you think, and I would trust that the CFO of a listed Chinese company would understand the situation better than someone like you who has probably never applied for a loan in China before.

http://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/story-archive-mainmenu-60/912-2011/3549-eratat-97-surge-in-latest-quarterly-net-profit-and-why-it-wants-to-place-out-shares

I think I've made my points clear and will make no further comments for now, to each his own.

P.S. There are 157 Chinese companies listed in Singapore. Thanks for pointing out that it's not a few hundred, but it hardly deflates the crux of my point.

eagle SG

To me, dividends of 2m out of 36m cash (5.5% of cash pile) is hardly a tiny fraction of the cash; utlised properly, it could be used grow even faster. While it is true that s-chips are suffering from negativities, the question remains on whether the cash is indeed there. Dividends are not the way to judge if the cash pile is valid. Anyone who used that as the meter for judging and had bought into CHX would have been in for a rude shock.

I fail to see how any of my posts meant every company in the textile industry will fail. I mentioned that the textile industry is one of highly competitive and low barriers to entry. There's no point comparing with just the established brands as you have. We have a moderately new entrant CHX in the same industry as Eratat, and CHX advertising in the NBA, yet what happens?

The growth story could be nice, your reasons extremely valid, but the uncertainty is not about the growth or your reasons. The uncertainty and risks lie in the integrity of the reported statements. Again, with the established brands like Nike as you mentioned, the uncertainty of the integrity of their reports is much lesser.

It is already tough enough to judge and take the risks of whether a business will take off; what's the point of taking on additional risks of the integrity? Unless I personally make a trip to China, see their shops and sales, etc, I find it hard to put my money on a company that I have little idea how their products are like, and how their customers feel about their products compared to others.

And btw, of the listed Chinese companies, how many percentage do not have a nice growth story at all? I believe the percentage is very very low.

Thanks for your views. While I have to admit I might be bias and the likelihood of me putting my money with this company in the short term is bascially zilch, I still like to hear different alternative views. Pls do share if you have views on any other companies as well. :)

eagle SG

Additional Information about CMIA

CMIA invested in FerroChina
http://www.asiaone.com/Business/News/My%2BMoney/Story/A1Story20090503-138965.html

http://www.pr.com/press-release/301406

Look at FerroChina's price now.

CMIA have been selling ChinaMinZhong (GIC linked) for the past few months.
Minzhong rose.

CMIA Capital Partners ("CMIA") is a private equity firm focused on investment opportunities in China and Southeast Asia. To date, CMIA has led over US$600 million in private equity investments. CMIA is primarily focused on Growth Capital opportunities, and has also financed Greenfield, Buyouts and Privatizations selectively. Established in 2003 and headquartered in Singapore, CMIA also operates out of offices in Shanghai and Hong Kong.

In fact, there are now lawsuits against CMIA :
"Directors of Fund II are suing Mr Lee and CMIA in Singapore for alleged breach of fiduciary duties. CMIA and Mr Lee are counter-suing the directors for defamation and breach of investment management agreement, among other things."

In conclusion, the following paragraph does not hold:

CMIA does not add credibility at all. It was only established in 2003, hardly long enough to be considered a long-term investor nor sufficiently well-recognized.

Remember that if funds lose money, it is their clients and investors that lose, and not the managers themselves.

I let you decide :)

eagle SG

A quick look at the Bank of China for local context shows an interest of 0.475% for SGD100k and above.

http://www.bankofchina.com/sg/bocinfo/bi3/201002/t20100207_961728.html

Anyone wants to compare with 0.01%?

Comparing with SGD is fair because Eratat is listed in Singapore, and IPO and placement funds are in SGD.

Admittedly, I didn't check up the books to see if it was really 0.01%.

eagle SG

CMIA disappeared from the scene. I wonder why. The price is cheaper than what they offered now!!! Substantial discount!

The "safer and non-growth" stock Sinktel returned 17% over the same time period :x

eagle SG

I would like to point out about the latest dividend announcement

Final dividend of RMB0.0300 per share, tax exempt one-tier for the financial period ended 31 December 2010

Given 414912514 shares as of 31st March 2011, and 60mil shares added after that, total number of shares = 474912514

That gives a total of RMB14.247mil to be paid as dividends, or SGD2.74mil, taking 1 SGD to 5.2 RMB.

But placement of 60mil shares at $0.202 gives SGD12.12mil. Estimated about 0.4mil is used for admin purposes for the placements, so we are left with SGD 11.72mil

2.74 / 11.72 * 100% = 23.38%
So the dividends to be paid out is as much as 23.38% of the amount received from the placements? Wow!

eagle SG

I'm re-reading old threads, and I saw this sentence posted by the forumer who registered merely to put up 3 posts here

It is indeed interesting that Eratat has to settle for a placement of what I deemed worse than that of CMIA eventually. They failed to land CMIA as their big fish.

eagle SG

Hindsight is 20/20

But prudence can always help to minimize losses.
Not only has the price dropped from 23cts to 12cts since my first posting, the volume has dried up, leaving "investors" and "believers" stuck at higher prices.