Why you should not study

last SG · 2009-08-30T12:28:29+00:00

where is TS? Wat de hell... Y did u revive this already dead thread

automator SG

Automator has some good points. The 'O-level' does has a head-start in the working environment, which includes networking early and amassing CPF early, but not limited to these two examples. Of course, the he/she will have to be a diligent worker and continually upgrading his own skills.

Definitely if the 'O-level' worker is someone who simply works without upgrading himself, then most probably he won't be able to attain the advantage as proposed originally by Automator -- it takes determination and hard work indeed.

Myself, I've met numerous people with barely any higher than O-level education background (some no O cert even) who are pretty successful in what they do and they can be anywhere in mid to top level management, due to the experience that they bring to the workplace, and most bosses value these people in high regards.

If there is one obvious flaw (I don't like this word but I can't find a better term at the moment..) that these 'no-higher-than-O-level-education' possess would be their grasp, or the lack of, of the English language / Mathematical understanding. But of course, there are academic graduates who amply fill up these gaps.

This is mostly evident in SMEs and family-owned businesses whereby experience and personal character are appreciated, and where most definitely you can't compare this situation within a highly skilled work environment such as a Biotechnology/Engineering firm where a Skilled Graduate would certainly be hand-picked with instead.

Anyway, to refrain from attaining the award of longest first reply post ever in SGForums (is there any???), I suppose I wouldn't be entirely wrong to assume that, based on Automater's 'ideal' scenario, an O-level worker would have already received an insurmountable financial revenue head-start if compared to a top-level cert holder in his initial working era.

Heh. Just my prolonged 2 cents~

Yup.

1 thing I observed also is that non degree holders can do well in SME too because SME seldom have degree holders working for them as degree holders most of them will join big companies or civil service.

Anyway, you are 1 of the enlighted person in this forum.

Kids like Agenda and Nihon natsu2005 shoudl learn form you

SexyChin SG

In bad times yes diploma and degree holders may apply for O level positions.

When times are good, they will find a better job suitable for their education qualification and than job hope.

This is what happens when you employ over qualified people

in another words, are you saying that degree holders find it easier to find jobs than people with only o level cert?

automator SG

And you are happy about it?

Uni students don't get cpf contributions, but

1) medical is totally free when u see the doc at NUS

2) why need MC? Can absent anytime. OTOT one.

3) why need annual leave at all?

Furthermore, it's only 8 months of study per year (4 months per sem)

But what for need cpf contributions when total earnings from tuition can be easily more than 2k?

1) I see my company doctor is free too.

2) In that case you don't work better. Don't even need to take mc everyday just stay at home shake leg and wait for food and money to fall down from heaven.

3) Why need annual leave at all? Because it is paid leave. You can rest at home and get paid.

You can don't study and work at all than you can everyday shake leg at home too

If you don't want your annual leave, you can forefeit it and your boss will be very glad

automator SG

in another words, are you saying that degree holders find it easier to find jobs than people with only o level cert?

It depends on what type of jobs they apply for.

If they apply for degree jobs it will be hard for them also because they have to compete with foreign degree holders and local degree holders too.

If they apply for diploma or O level jobs, they may or may not get it because some companies don't want to employ you as you are over qualified and most over qualified people when they find a better job they will leave.

Googooboyy SG

Wow, I'm just surprised at the acidic response that TS is getting, if anything, perhaps the flame-throwers should be getting an education in dignified forum reply techniques, because those replies are acidic, and aimed at infuriating TS, which has proved to be ineffective.

And TS, I think instead of replying with a name-calling post, like 'small boy', I think it's best to ignore them. They're just pulling you into their 'level', whatever level it is. Ignorance is bliss, right?

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Now, back to a proper discussion. Ty.

automator SG

TS, I study for a degree not because of soley for the money but because when only got a dip, I kena rejected for jobs because I was deem under qualified even though I may have the experience.

And on the point of knowledge, it is not free, the resource/data maybe free online/libray, but u still have to internalised it (and sometimes takes effort, time and really hard work) to be really consider as knowledge. Even that, u still have to know when and how to apply the knowledge. If not any ah kow, ah neow can go read medical books then declare themselve as doctors.

Than apply for jobs that you are qualified for with your diploma and experience lor

If you have a diploma and 10 years experience as a manager than you should apply for a manager position.

If you go and apply for a director position which needs a degree and 5 years experience as a manger, you can't tell them that although you got no degree but you got an extra 5 years experience as a manger so you want to apply for it

seyKai SG

knowledge is power

eagle SG

1) I see my company doctor is free too.

2) In that case you don't work better. Don't even need to take mc everyday just stay at home shake leg and wait for food and money to fall down from heaven.

3) Why need annual leave at all? Because it is paid leave. You can rest at home and get paid.

You can don't study and work at all than you can everyday shake leg at home too

If you don't want your annual leave, you can forefeit it and your boss will be very glad

What I meant is,

being a student can enjoy those so-called benefits as well which are designed to trap you forever as an employee.

This is in reply to your question

When I am working, I get to enjoy cpf contributions, medical benefits, 15 days annual leave, mc etc.

Do you get to enjoy these benefits as a student?

Rednano SG

It depends on what type of jobs they apply for.

If they apply for degree jobs it will be hard for them also because they have to compete with foreign degree holders and local degree holders too.

then jobs for O Level people are always limited than for Diploma and Degree...

if not, why so many people go ask government for help and ask to upgrade their skills at www.wda.gov.sg and www.e2i.com.sg?

Fryderyk HPH SG

Again, TS, where is ur governmental statistic...

We want to see statistics from a government body to support ur claim.

automator SG

then jobs for O Level people are always limited than for Diploma and Degree...

if not, why so many people go ask government for help and ask to upgrade their skills at www.wda.gov.sg and www.e2i.com.sg?

Going to WDA to upgrade their skills is different from getting a degree.

WDA courses are all heavily subsided and their degree courses definetly won't take 3 years to complete and definetly cost less than 30k which NUS, NTU and SMU charges.

I have plans to take a subsidised degree programme from WDA but definetly not from NUS, NTU or SMU which is too expensive and time consuming.

Fryderyk HPH SG

Please dun tell me u created an account just to say this.

Government statistics prove everything. If the government publicises a report saying "O" Level grad earn more in the workplace compared to the dip/deg/PhD holders, then it must be true then. There is a difference between just pure talk and talk cock.

eagle SG

I guess automator has no questions about my calculations on the first page

hmmm....

airgrinder SG

Hi TS

What you said is very true. I agree with you whole 101%. The 5 mins browsing through your posts had enlightened me, much more than the many years spent studying. You have made your point.

My friend only Primary 8 education (The old system, where there are primary 7 and primary 8). He's now 34, driving a merc, owns 2 zi-char store, and submitted income tax of about $11K per month. Just how many people who studies deg, etc earns that kid of monies at 34? However he is stupid now, pushing his two kids to tuition after school, wanting them to proceed to university and even higher if possible. I think cooking too much sambal fried rice had fried his brain.

You are right TS, my friend. We should not study. Those who are in JC, poly, ITE, uni, please quit. You're wasting time studying and incurring debt losing the opportunity cost to O level graduates.

Fryderyk HPH SG

Going to WDA to upgrade their skills is different from getting a degree.

WDA courses are all heavily subsided and their degree courses definetly won't take 3 years to complete and definetly cost less than 30k which NUS, NTU and SMU charges.

I have plans to take a subsidised degree programme from WDA but definetly not from NUS, NTU or SMU which is too expensive and time consuming.

Weren't you talking about just O level grads a while ago? If u go to WDA wouldn't you get more experience in that field and earn more money?

Both are still COURSES and that takes time. Companies acknowledge that a staff has done the course. Naturally the raise comes as well.

I seriously don't get what u are driving at.

Googooboyy SG

knowledge is power

And continuous education is the key. Hehe.

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Okay lah, it all depends on which industry you want to excel in. Certain industry you can succeed career-wise without a diploma/degree, while some requires that niche knowledge you gain from a University laden background.

Btw, please continue studying kids, but if opportunity jumps at you, grab them!! Don't ever stop educating yourselves, which this thread title might be 'mislead' or 'misconstrued' to believe against, but if you're like me, do grasp with an open mind (whereby there's no right or wrong answer..) the rationale of TS's idea, and probably then you'll 'see' the lighter side of the equation.

Nihon natsu2005 SG

Please dun tell me u created an account just to say this.

i think so too, look at his first post was made at the time of this thread war and the first post was immediately mounting a generated response against the "attackers" lol

Agenda SG

I said it once and I'll say it again.

Let's face it. TS is probably stuck with a o levels qualifications and trying to make himself feel better.

Fryderyk HPH SG

And continuous education is the key. Hehe.

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Studying never ends till the day a person dies.

The thing is, I don't get what TS is driving at, first he talks about O level and now some course from WDA???

octega SG

Than apply for jobs that you are qualified for with your diploma and experience lor

If you have a diploma and 10 years experience as a manager than you should apply for a manager position.

Dude, the job scope not the position. Getting a job of what u want to do.

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