another outing ah!

last SG · 2007-02-16T00:53:13+00:00

you did not read my post clearly and accuse me of something i have not done i aint saying your number is not enough, i said we have not established, this me...

R3SsH|n SG

yea yea...purposely.. Laughing
and no...u are not inferring my statement proerly. i not saying whether u good in debate or not. i am saying you starting this whole debate justify my views about jc students.

tell you liao. my comments about jc students are my views. they are based on my experience with jc students. thus u cannot say i am bias against them.
don't blame me, blame those jc students who give jc a bad name. there is no smoke without fire. Rolling Eyes

laurence82 SG

so has the debate been flawed? you have not been arguing against my points, it means your position lack strength, and nothing of these should add to anything about your view about JC students, because you couldnt justify it

again and again, i am not denying that they are not your own view, i am not denying that they are biased with your experience, what i am simply asking you is to recognise that such views are unsupported and should not be used to make stinging remarks in a place that do not belong to you

its akin to having neighbours whom you think are unruly, you could not justify the unruliness, its your own personal view, but do you stand in their house and keep yakking that anti-neighbours feeling and demand the right to do so?

they have been damn nice not to edit your posts or anything, but they had aired their grievances against your conducts, so be a gentleman and stop this nonsense, reciprocate their actions to you

since you mentioned your parents and teachers, i am sure very well they would teach you to be nice and reciprocate kindness with kindness

R3SsH|n SG

example. i say jc students make hell of a noise whenever they come up the bus in a group. this occurs 90% of the time. so is this back up?

who so free to count the number of jc students i have as friends, schoolmates, msn frens, those i see on the streets, on the bus,at the park and even on this forum? a mental image of the jc students i know already exhibits those traits alraedy, isn't that enough?

repeatedly, i said i don't need to support my views and comments because those are mine, based on personal experience.

victim? you already passed judgement on my conduct before the first letter was typed, shouldn't i feel agrieved?

laurence82 SG

yes yes, so we agree they could not be justified and their are your own personal opinions, but have you been reading??

for the frigging nth time nobody is denying they are your personal view, but since you recognise such views as personally biased, are they justified enough to be taken out to hurt people with stinging remarks?

how many times do we have to go thru this?

R3SsH|n SG

what are your points? you type so much things until i am not sure u are trying to put a point thru or just taking one big round and shoot me?
if u are being objective, being someone who is not as intelligent as me would be able to see your points.

if i think my neighbours are unruly, it will be because they have made actions that cause me to think they are unruly. and yes i will go on yakking about my anit-neighbours feeling because they have done things that make me feel so.

i know kindness when i see them. i don't see them here. (as shown in papercut's shut tap)
if there was kindness here, i would have hope to see something like,"oh, come and join us and make friends, we aren't as bad as you think" Laughing
not someone calling me a troll and trying to say my debate skills is weak and taking one round to shoot me.

R3SsH|n SG

"personally biased" is when something is wrongly judge. i don't think i me judging jc students "biaslly" because what they show me is really what i described.
jeez, did i hurt your feelings when i say all those bad things about jc students?
truth hurts eh? Laughing

public forum - u like it, u read, u dun like it, u don't read.

since u feeling so justice, why not teach moral lessons to those real trolls at bar? if people dun wanna read what the idiots write in bar, they dun read it. and they move on. instead telling them "you shouldn't say those dirty things" and so on...

if u think my remarks are stinging, then go ahead and click the down aarow, it won't hurt me if you don't reply to it..

laurence82 SG

if somebody said my debate skills is lousy and has proven so, i jolly well buck up than to succumb to egoism and thinks the person is shooting me

my points do not need intelligence, the issue is about maturity, these are two different things

again, you missed the point. i have stated that your views could very well be biased against your neighbours due to some actions, same thing, you admitted your view about JC students are your own personal view, not objetive view, or not even near objective

knowing these, do you still have the cheek to stand in your neighbour's HOUSE, and yak about them? and worse, even demand the right to do so

you dont recognise the issue here dont you?

the kindness lies in them not banning you from this forum, not editing your posts, they have aired their grievances though

that is where kindness is, and you tested the patience of forumers to the extent two of us here have to tell you to shut your claptrap. any person who knows shame would immediately recognise this situation

now this has to be done in a dragged down fashion, going through three pages of it

again, cease and desist this activity of yours

i dont mind you doing it in chit chat, its a place for trolls anyway, and you could join them and thinking people who speak about your mistake have personal agenda against you and are not sincere in telling your mistakes, but this is whinehouse, its your neighbours house

wipe your shoes before going in (it means show manners when you are in someones' place)

gigabyte14 SG

i hope u both can still go on when i wake up at 11am tml...

you two are starting to amuse me with your childishness.

laurence82 SG

biased is when you could not prove it, since you do not want to do so, and wanted to base on your own encounter, and not by stats and research, its justified to call this your own opinions, not the TRUTH

since its not the TRUTH, stop using it to make stinging remarks against others

truth hurts is a clever rhetoric, but sadly, untruth hurts too.

do you think i would stand here and talk to you if i think you are like them? but if you make your decision to be like those bar trolls, all you have to admit that you ara a troll like those in bar, and i jolly well leave you alone

you are nearly there, hope you think about it and step away from that path

besides, this is bar, not whinehouse...why you think i am now doing it here instead of bar?

laurence82 SG

you do not understand the seriousness of the situation

let me tell you for the third time

if somebody could not justify his biasness, and knowing very well they are his personal opinion, choose to stand in somebody's else house and yak loudly abt it, and yet demand the right to do so, how would you feel?

not trying to put a stop to it is childishness

whinehouse is a place for whining and outings regardless of status, not a place for someone to fully implement his personal war and biases

R3SsH|n SG

lol..i don't need to buck up my debate skills for you since u aren't objective from the first post. debating with someone without and open mind is as good as talking to the wall.

again your objective is unclear. you want to change my views about jc students or change my maturity?

waseh...if my neighbours throw shit at my doorstairs and i tell it as it is, then this is being bias to my neighbour? Rolling Eyes

why differentiate whinehouse and chitchat? is it because this is a jc place? just because its a jc place i cannot say bad things about them? what logic.
if you are really objective, you wouldn't mind whether this is chitchat or at whinehouse. and being not objective is the one crime in debate you shouldn't commit

you are not exhibiting it thus whatever you trying to tell me is still invalid cos its still like talking to the wall... Rolling Eyes

R3SsH|n SG

jeez...do i need a NPNT each time i see a jc student doing something wrong? if everything has to be done in a black and white way, there will be 0% inefficency.

i know you are trying to talk sense in me. but i feel u are more of attacking me than to correct my views. although there is a thin line with it, i feel u have cross that line.

till the day some jc student prove me in action what i say is wrong, i will continue to put my views across. until then, if they continue to exhibit those traits that i mention, then i have no choice but to continue believing in what i believe in.

laurence82 SG

pls prove which part not objective

from the first post, i have already lay out the questionable parts, including significance of the number you had, strength of your argument, whether they are objective or subjective..these are not accusations, but rather the questions we must mull over, but you have accused me of accusing you

never mind, i can let go of this

my objective have always been very clear

a) your views are personally your own, and not the whole truth
b) either you support it, or you admit its your own personal biased opinion
c) as such, its not the truth, you would not use such unwarranted biases to openly launch stinging remarks against JC students
d) you are welcome to start an anti jc forum, i am all for it, but do not leave your crap in other people forum
e) especially when they have expressed their grievances before about your conduct

i never talk about your neighbours throwing shiat at your door step, do not add words to my original post in hope to misconstrue it

i already said, if you have personal biases against your neighbour, do you stand in their house and yak about it?

no more than that please

for your information, chit chat is chit chat, whinehouse is whinehouse, that is the difference

its not your grandfather ancestral home, nor your house, nor your father's road, and there are decidedly a large numbers of JC students MIXING with other people here, there was never talk of divisiveness, yet your loose mouth refuse to let go

i am already exhibiting every ounce of objectivity, its just that you refused to recognise it

Cool

R3SsH|n SG

put yourself in my shoes. assuming this was a "poly forum"..and u are jc student trying to say something..but you are told shut up just because this is a poly forum. would u feel agrieved? there is no logic in it..

R3SsH|n SG

"if you are a gentleman enough, you should square up to the facts that you cant prove the fact you said you have, and that you have been dotting this forum with that sort of unwanted statements"

you are already condeming me that i am when u say i should do something(i.e you already think i am wrong)
some other stuff also, but i am not as free as to dig up everything...

edit: another condemation,
"oh i get it, it means you always lose to JC students and have that sort of inferiority complex,"

"i expecteded that, because like i said, face is what a lot of people care about"

laurence82 SG

its your egoism at work, not voice of reason

i do hope for once that you will remove all that thoughts that 'this damn laurence is attacking me'

for a moment, focus on the actions you have done, think about each and everything i have said, focus on the logic, remove the personal element, forget who is laurence, who is R3Ssh|n...focus on each and every of your action and how it affect others

clearly you are going back to proving part again. like i said, if you cant prove it, means its not the whole truth. since you are not willing to prove it, the only alternative is to recognise that there is biases in that view

surely even if you see hundred unruly students could not mean 30000 JC students are like that? stats will fail you

ok, now we know that that few could not represent 30000 students, this means there are biases, there is no other way

Sherlock Holmes once said 'if there is no other alternative but this, this surely must be the answer, no matter how absurd it may sound'

if you recognise there could be biases, do you think its fair to go out and tar the whole lot with the same brush? have u been unfairly treated before? by friends? by parents? by teachers?

dont you feel what is it like to be treated unfairly? i am sure you do

so spare a though for others

your opinions, which is not the whole truth, should not be used to hurt others

laurence82 SG

Is that condemnation?

For crying out loud, stop for once think people are attacking and frigging focus on the actions, the words, the farking reasoning

When i said if you are a gentleman enough, I do not mean you are not a gentleman

Sheesh

It means, do something about it!

R3SsH|n SG

nono...i feel like i am being attacked, thus i dun see the need to reason with u...its like talking to the wall...

hmm...if u get scalded by a boling kettle for 3 times, would you still touch it? much less 90 out of a 100 times or 30,000 kettles.. Rolling Eyes

if u think my comments hurt others, then i will look into the future and be more sensitive to them.though i hope u shld be sensitive too to think in my shoes that why i should say bad things about jc students since this is whinehouse.

laurence82 SG

this is getting nowhere

all i am asking, is that you stop continuing your this personal thing against JC students, right here in this forum

this is not much to ask for

i have not ask u to shut up in the chit chat forum, i wouldnt mind if you set up an anti jc forum or whatsoever

i wouldnt agree to these opinions, and my objective in this debate is that you cease and desist doing such thing in other people places, amidst pleas for a cessation

i do hope you are mature enough to understand this particular request

laurence82 SG

the analogy is poor

a boiling kettle is dangerous even if you touch it 100 times, but there are 30000 DIFFERENT human beings you are talking about, you are tarring the same lot with the same brush

that is what people called generalisation

u feel like you are being attacked? again, feelings....i feel like you are not proving the point, therefore i will say you are still wrong? does this kind of argument hold water?

sheesh

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