AWARE

last SG · 2009-04-18T22:00:24+00:00

the women's mag got write-up on josie lau one is which one huh?

la luce nella piazza SG

To poster above: just out of curiosity - did Aware do anything for the whole marital rape immunity issue?

and more generally, is anyone going to vote in the EGM?

Maggie.meepok SG

To poster above: just out of curiosity - did Aware do anything for the whole marital rape immunity issue?

and more generally, is anyone going to vote in the EGM?

Yes, in 2007 Aware was active in lobbying for a change in the penal code so that marital rape is considered a crime. Prior to that, acts of sexual violence in a marriage was not considered a crime in Singapore. Aware was active in pushing to criminalise offenders so as to protect women from such violence.

Aware was not able to achieve 100% what it wanted, but it was able to succeed to makine some progress in that direction. The penal code was amended so that a rape in a marriage is considered a crime if the wife had a) obtained a decree of judicial separation b) obtained a personal protection order, or c) obtained an injunction against her husband restraining him from having sex with her.

Of course in reality, many wives seldom even move to obtain any of these 3 legal protection so it is really not easy to prosecute a rapist husband. Still, Rome was not built in one day and some progress is better than none.

And for your second question, yes I will be attending the EGM and making my vote count.

mancha SG

Maggie

How would you explain the surge in membership of AWARE from hundreds for years, to over a thousand in just a few weeks?

Which faction the new recruits belong to?

Hello Kitty SG

me will b gng!

who else too?

Maggie.meepok SG

Maggie

How would you explain the surge in membership of AWARE from hundreds for years, to over a thousand in just a few weeks?

Which faction the new recruits belong to?

Hi Mancha,

Sorry I don't quite get your question or the intent of your question. Do you mind elaborating? Thanks.

Maggie.meepok SG

Maggie

How would you explain the surge in membership of AWARE from hundreds for years, to over a thousand in just a few weeks?

Which faction the new recruits belong to?

Hi Mancha,

Sorry I don't quite get your question or the intent of your question. Do you mind elaborating? Or is it just rhetorical questions that needs no reply? Thanks.

TYING SG

me will b gng!

who else too?

lol.

You sure you going not? Don't just meow meow over here.

And thanks Maggi for being here to clear up most of the issues that we for now, could most probably rely through the media.

Anyway, I would like to ask, in your own personal opinion, whom would you prefer to lead AWARE? Are you with the previous ex-co or the new one? And also, what are the values that you agree or disagree with either group should you vote for them?

FireAndHell SG

most of them

dun look like old women

they look like old men

Maggie.meepok SG

lol.

And thanks Maggi for being here to clear up most of the issues that we for now, could most probably rely through the media.

Hi TYING,

You are welcome!

And in respond to your question - I am an old Aware member (for at least 3 years) and I am also a Christian. But I support the old leaders at Aware, not the new exco.

I support the old Aware because of its original founding beliefs - which is to be secular and inclusive irrespective of race, religion, gender or sexuality. I support them because they have been liberal, moderate and have made improvements for women over the years.

I do not support the new exco, and would not do so just because they are fellow Christians. Throughout history, fellow Christians have also stolen, raped and murdered (just check out major events in history like the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Salem witch hunts just to mention a few famous ones - all condoned by the religions establishment of the day, all done in the "name of God".)

I judge the new exco base on their actions, and what they have said to the media. Although the new exco members have won their positions constituitionally, they have not done so in a dignified or honorable way. I feel that whoever is giving them moral support from their church to do what they are doing, is doing great disservice to Christianity and to women in general.

I am still not sure if the old Aware members will succeed tomorrow since we may be out-numbered by the new exco's supporters, many whom are likely to be from their church. But if the old Aware does not get enough votes of no-confidence against the new team, it is a sad day for moderates and liberals like me and a very sad day for Christianity and women.

Kuali Baba SG

It'd also be a very sad day for civil society if the "might is right" approach comes out tops over dialogue and reasoning. Even if the new ex-co were to expand its size to include some of the veteren members and reinstate the ICs of various projects, it would be a step in the right direction.

AndrewPKYap SG

Many religious people are such assholes..... and religion should be banned once and for all... and those that cannot cope with reality after the ban should seek psychiatric help.

Maggie.meepok SG

It will definately be a sad day for civil society.

Actually, the whole saga is quite comic, like a cartoon.

"Once upon a time, a team of would-be new Aware exco members conducted a silent infiltration exercise, followed by a surprise siege and conquer programme. They then retreated into their fortress, changed the locks and threw out the gate-keeper.

Despite all the noise below, they refuse to respond to the petty questions nor engage with the lowly commoners, preferring to keep their “dignified silence” (in the words of President Josie Lau). But the noise got louder, the tower got too claustrophobic and the new conquerors started to get death threats (holy cow! What is the world coming to?).

Finally, they decided to come out and defend themselves. They screamed and cried, threshing their feet like children squealing: “Why don’t people like us? Why do people attack us? We have won it fair and square! (refer to new exco press conference on YouTube) If you bully us, we will tell our mommy! (Dr Thio Su Mien)"

Fearing another battle, they called for reinforcements (other church members). Their sisterhood cried: “We must support our sisters!”. One of their leaders cried: “God has drawn a line and it MUST NOT BE CROSSED!” (the words of Pastor Derek Hong).

Everyday, the new exco try their best to maintain the invisible line (which only they can see because they are the chosen ones) making sure that it is not crossed – as if their lives depended on it. “Anyone who cross this line must be shot!” they tell themselves.

They are waiting for the second battle, they know they will not loose because God is on their side. They believe that if they win, they will be heroines. If they loose, then it is God’s will – but at least, they will still be martyrs. "

ok, just some satirical entertainment on the situation as reported in the papers. Just me being a bit naughty.

Kuali Baba SG

Many religious people are such assholes..... and religion should be banned once and for all... and those that cannot cope with reality after the ban should seek psychiatric help.

And how would atheist Nazis be any different from the religious militants they replace? *Cough* pigs *cough* animal farm *cough*

In case anyone isn't aware of it, there are many Christians and Catholics out there who disapprove of what the new exco and some indie Churches have done and are doing.

Kuali Baba SG

It will definately be a sad day for civil society.

Actually, the whole saga is quite comic, like a cartoon.

ok, just some satirical entertainment on the situation as reported in the papers. Just me being a bit naughty.

They do Christianity a great disservice through their lies, cover-ups and lack of transparency. Pluralism is dead.

Maggie.meepok SG

And how would atheist Nazis be any different from the religious militants they replace? *Cough* pigs *cough* animal farm *cough*

In case anyone isn't aware of it, there are many Christians and Catholics out there who disapprove of what the new exco and some indie Churches have done and are doing.

I do agree with you it is not such a simple matter as “those with religion are good/bad and those without are good/bad”. It is not so black and white, so I disagree with AndrewPKYap that religion should be banned.

Karl Marx said that “religion is the opiate (aka opium) of the masses” and he believes that removing religion will give people happiness. But does it? Communism, base on Marx’s idealogy, banned religion but they have created a society that is hollow and sad, and squashed many people’s natural longing for the divine. It is just another dictatorship (animal farm, snort, snort)

So to each his own I say.

But indeed religion and religious people have also contributed a lot to the world, setting up schools, building hospitals, promoting human rights. It’s just that they are other religious people who use religion to abuse. Sad, year?

Nikar 3 SG

http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/04/be-aware-be-very-aware.html

support the old guard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mancha SG

Hi Mancha,

Sorry I don't quite get your question or the intent of your question. Do you mind elaborating? Or is it just rhetorical questions that needs no reply? Thanks.

No motive here. Just that it is curious that membership figures suddenly shot up, after stagnating in the low hundreds previously.

Who are rallying these women to join? Why?

The newspapers are inhibited with social and political responsibility and just reports what has transpired. Perhaps you could tell us what is really going on, as you know it.

If there is nothing devious about the whole saga, then there is no need to say anything. The new team may be just as well-intentioned as the old team, and may the best team win.

charlize SG

Interesting to see how this all pans out.

But either way, I think there will be some official intervention soon.

But probably behind the scenes.

AndrewPKYap SG

And how would atheist Nazis be any different from the religious militants they replace? *Cough* pigs *cough* animal farm *cough*

In case anyone isn't aware of it, there are many Christians and Catholics out there who disapprove of what the new exco and some indie Churches have done and are doing.

Outlaw religion AND outlaw Nazism

Just outlaw anything that is stupid.

jgho83 SG

Andrew at his best.

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