Mobo & Ram

kenn3th SG

WRONG you just don't get it. - Do you like getting such a reply?

I doubt so, and this is my point I have been trying to prove here.

Indeed there's a difference between correction and critism, when one places them both together, it would be critism during correction, which is unfavourable in any environment.

My intention is not to flame but to avocate friendly exchanges of information and knowledge in this forum. Many of your posts have been like this, and I have to step in.

As for by context, I will explain it to you once and for all in a more elaborated fashion

by Context, 1333 is the default speed, while 1866 is the max speed.

The meaning of by context is towards the phrasing of the question. if you ask about the colour of the apples like a green apple (default), and green apple (max). I answer green is default speed, red is max - which is the way i explained and replied in the thread.

However, I know that there ARE different types of apples which i will name them, 800, 1066, and 1333.

Further more you have already explained it above in your previous reply before mine, so is it wrong of me to explain by context then, rather than repeating almost everything what you said?

I apologise to fattyman for the inconvinence caused.

fattyman SG

It will be stated on the software box if it's 32-bit or 64-bit, or on the receipt. I believe companies keep a receipt or transaction somewhere, so you can check with your Accounting department if the software box has been lost.

As a general guide, softwares that are meant for client PC (that means they are not servers) and bought before end of 2008 are typically 32-bit. As for servers, they tend migrate faster than PCs, so softwares bought after 2007/2008 could be 64-bit. Again, you can check with the Accounting dept if the software box is lost. Alternatively, if you can access the server, opening up the system properties will tell you which version of software has been installed. 64-bit installed --> machine is 64-bit.

Hi mayi,

thanks for the input, tks for sharing your knowledge, appreciate that.

fattyman SG

If you want to know if the particular software is 32-bit or 64-bit, you can do a check on the manufacturer's page or use Google. Though usually, consumer software tend to be 32-bit for maximum compatibility with all systems.

You shouldn't have problems using 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system. I've been using 64-bit OSes for quite sometime, Vista/Windows 7 and Ubuntu, and the only problems I experience are stuff written for the age of technological dinosaurs: programs written in 16-bit.

And regarding your first questions:

1. RAM sticks store their timings and speed information on a chip on the RAM. This chip stores their SPD data, or Serial Presence Detect. There are different types of SPD timings, namely JEDEC SPD (Industry standard), Intel Extreme Memory Profile (Or XMP), AMD Black Edition Memory Profile (or BEMP) and NVidia Enhanced Performance Profile (Or EPP).

RAM sticks of 1333MHz and below use JEDEC timings, and are guaranteed to work at their rated speeds on any motherboard. Speeds of 1600MHz and above typically use one of the special memory profiles to reach their rated speed, but are guaranteed to work on any motherboard at the JEDEC timings.

An example would be my Team Xtreem LV 1600. It has JEDEC timings of 1333MHz and 1066MHz, but also supports XMP speeds of 1600MHz on a compatible motherboard. However, my motherboard doesn't support XMP, so it runs at 1333MHz by default. If I had an Intel motherboard supporting XMP, the RAM would already run at 1600MHz.

2: Answer above there somewhere :P

3. Corsair is a trusted name out there, very reliable and high quality. Alternatively, you can go for Crucial, G.Skill or Team Group. These are the companies I trust and I'm happy with.

Hi Raraken,

tks for the lengthy explanation, appreciate that, btw do you have a webpage link whereby i can learn how to do oc ? Currently my ram is 1600MHz, I still have not maximise its full potential yet, keen to learn.

tks.

fattyman SG

WRONG you just don't get it. - Do you like getting such a reply?

I doubt so, and this is my point I have been trying to prove here.

Indeed there's a difference between correction and critism, when one places them both together, it would be critism during correction, which is unfavourable in any environment.

My intention is not to flame but to avocate friendly exchanges of information and knowledge in this forum. Many of your posts have been like this, and I have to step in.

As for by context, I will explain it to you once and for all in a more elaborated fashion

I apologise to fattyman for the inconvinence caused.

hi kenn3th,

no worries, as usual, regular contributors like you guys are always very helpful to help those who are in doubt, appreciate the existence of this forum

Whimsy SG

Those things that you deal with have "no feelings", and you are born with flesh and blood and is cordial and lovely. You should not because of no feelings matter affect your cheerful personality and kind intent of resolving computer problem. I feel that although solution provided may not necessary resolve computer problem, it may be hardware and software incompatibility, just keep finger crossed and trial & error over it along the path of kind intent and sharing

SBS7484P SG

Wrong, 1333 is not the default speed.It depends on the CPU you are using.

If you use atom/ulv mobile, it will be 800.

If you use bloomfield, it will be 1066.

If you use lynnfield, it will be 1333.

False.

Raraken SG

Hi Raraken,

tks.

I would do a guide, but my desktop's disassembled.

However, this is an excellent guide by Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-overclock-athlon,2161.html

And it's for AMD systems, so it's right up your alley.

Do take note that the RAM may not run stable at 1600MHz because the memory controller on Phenom II chips are not as robust as the controllers on Intel chips.

fattyman SG

I would do a guide, but my desktop's disassembled.

However, this is an excellent guide by Tom's Hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-overclock-athlon,2161.html

And it's for AMD systems, so it's right up your alley.

Do take note that the RAM may not run stable at 1600MHz because the memory controller on Phenom II chips are not as robust as the controllers on Intel chips.

Hi Raraken,

Thanks for the link, I'll spend a few day to read up & try to do a oc myself, if encounter any problem, I may need your help.

BTW how do you know that ram run above 1600MHz is not stable on Phenom II chips, you learn thru trial & error ?

Your "unstable" means the system will hang occasionally ?

Then how come those hardcore gamers still want to oc their system (Phenom II) if its unstable, pls enlighten me.

Thanks for the reply.

Raraken SG

Hi Raraken,

Thanks for the link, I'll spend a few day to read up & try to do a oc myself, if encounter any problem, I may need your help.

BTW how do you know that ram run above 1600MHz is not stable on Phenom II chips, you learn thru trial & error ?

Your "unstable" means the system will hang occasionally ?

Then how come those hardcore gamers still want to oc their system (Phenom II) if its unstable, pls enlighten me.

Thanks for the reply.

It's a well known fact that the memory controllers on Phenom II chips are not as strong. Yes, you can get the RAM to run at 1600MHz and above, but there are right now only specific memory kits and board/CPU combinations that work well.

One example is the GSkill Flare 2000MHz C7 RAM kit. These modules are meant to be run in an AMD system, but will only work at their maximum potential (2000MHz at CAS latency 7) on a rig using an X6 CPU and certain ASUS motherboards.

Most RAM modules are meant to be run in Intel systems at the higher speeds, so they are not optimized for AMD memory controllers. You can get them to work at high speed, or somewhere close, but it will require a lot of tweaking. I've had my Team Xtreem running at 1600MHz, but at C8 and higher voltages (around 1.75V) rather than the C7 and 1.65V I would have gotten on Intel.

By "unstable", I mean BSOD. Very frequently.

Why hardcore gamers want to OC their Phenom II systems? Because OCing is fun. AMD Phenom II chips can overclock like there's no tomorrow. I've successfully gotten my 955 to 4.3GHz, limited by the motherboard's power delivery system. The instability comes from pushing components too hard. As I've said, overclocking is dangerous and very difficult to get high speeds. But once done right, you get the feeling of satisfaction and pride. And if you aren't overly ambitious, you can get a perfectly stable overclock very fast.

^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~ SG

sorry to hijack the thread... I'm currently going to upgrade my com with more ram, as I still have 2 slot free...

is it better to get another 2 ram of the same make as the current ones I'm using or can i mix and match different brand?

Raraken SG

sorry to hijack the thread... I'm currently going to upgrade my com with more ram, as I still have 2 slot free...

is it better to get another 2 ram of the same make as the current ones I'm using or can i mix and match different brand?

In theory, it's best to get similar RAM sticks to the ones you already have i.e Buying Corsair XMS3 1600MHz sticks if you have Corsair XMS3 1600MHz sticks already in use.

However, in reality, as long as the modules are of the same speed it should work fine (like buying Team Elite 1333MHz RAM sticks if you have Kingston 1333MHz sticks already installed)

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