Question: Torrent and ISP

fifteen SG

Hi all,

I'm believe that many people are using torrents nowadays to download files whether legal or illegal.

I have a question here. I know using torrent is legal as long as you download non-copyrighted content, such as self compiled notes etc. However, how does your ISP know what you are downloading right now is legal/illegal? Or is it they don't care about it unless the law enforcers bring court order to claim your acivities log from them?

Anonymous User SG

From what I know, ISP dont track what you download, they are "Service Provider" only, unless they On enough to track.

The thing about Torrent is that if you download anything, it will write down ur IP address onto the seed/task, so IF i remember correctly, Anyone & Everyone on that same seed can see each other's IP.

So tracking companies just track the seed & get the IP address, from the IP code can track where u are & which ISP ur using liao lor~. Niffty really..... How else do u tink they catch anime dlers from torrent??

(Giving a name to ur IP, on the other hand, depends on customer confidential(sp) law of the company...)

(PS: This is based on "WHAT I KNOW" from previous reading... if wrong dun flame mi hor~ Might missed out details too...)

PWNED32 SG

From what I know, ISP dont track what you download, they are "Service Provider" only, unless they On enough to track.

The thing about Torrent is that if you download anything, it will write down ur IP address onto the seed/task, so IF i remember correctly, Anyone & Everyone on that same seed can see each other's IP.

(Giving a name to ur IP, on the other hand, depends on customer confidential(sp) law of the company...)

(PS: This is based on "WHAT I KNOW" from previous reading... if wrong dun flame mi hor~ Might missed out details too...)

Good i learn something today.

Shotgun SG

Hence the whole odex debacle.

The ISPs were not supposed to provide confidential information about their clients without a court order. And the court order cannot be given unless they knew WHO they were meant for, and prove that they did download.

So Odex had a whole list of IPs, they couldn't just go to the ISP to get names. They needed the court order to compel ISPs to do it. But to get the court order, they had to have had overwhelming proof that someone, a person they could identify (which they couldn't), had downloaded stuff that they claim rights to (which they didn't really have).

How was the whole thing resolved? I was out of town for a bit after that...

dotaro SG

Last I heard is that Odex tipped-off some major Anime companies, E.g Sunrise & Bandai and let them take the initiative of sue-ing the D-Lers.

Anonymous User SG

Last I heard is that Odex tipped-off some major Anime companies, E.g Sunrise & Bandai and let them take the initiative of sue-ing the D-Lers.

Same... After the whole hoo-haa, i think that a judge ruled them "unfitting" to claim particulars of the IP address early this year, as they are 3rd party.

Names of those people was released to the anime producers instead (I.E sunrise, TV tokyo... what not).

So odex retracted to a "supporting/middle man" role instead, i think they kept tracking, if enough 'evidence' then they hand over the IP address to the broadcast companies, if they want to sue then odex help "facilitate" lor.......

dotaro SG

To think Odex has stooped so low.