belief in god VS athiest

last SG · 2009-04-27T11:27:46+00:00

the way i see it, religion does not force you to have faith. those who have faith, have it, those who dont, simply dont. Its a matter of self recognition.

bhkw SG

which to believe?

last good friday i attended a friends cell group meeting... and i was asked the "golden" question .. Do you believe?

i said i had to think about it ..

but i'm still thinking about it now ..

i've been an athiest my whole life ... big bang, evoloution

and then suddenly i've been asked to believe ..(not that i'm not expecting it ..)

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but it's the way people asks you to believe ..

look at the links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9IPoAdct8

they make it sound as if they have been forced to believe ..

i'm contemplating weather i should bellieve or not but they way they are promoting it makes me feel very obligated ..

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from a chirstiant's view point , can you pls tell me how you feel about those videos and if all christiants feel the same ..

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i'm in a very confused state now so those of you who want to BullShit, Pls, PLS go another topic ... tyvm

thehappybunny SG

all boils down to faith. either you have it or you dont

ctstalin SG

if u have been an atheist for ye whole life, why are u so easily swayed by others?

i dun believe, do you?

youyayu SG

belive in Jerry Almighty

bhkw SG

if u have been an atheist for ye whole life, why are u so easily swayed by others?

i dun believe, do you?

i'm not swayed .. but just wondering if i should have a belief ..

got the "unsecrure" feeling u know?

FireIce SG

tts why im agnostic

bhkw SG

tts why im agnostic

huh? whats that?

stupidissmart SG

well... u got any problems just believing in science ? To me there is no loophole with science. Before u believe maybe u should try to question more about everything like their scriptures etc. Then see if u find any loopholes or not. If u think everything make sense to u, then maybe u should just convert

Babelfish SG

too many lives have been lost in the Crusades.. no more.. There wont be another Catholic Inquisition!

Illuminati!!

mir4cle SG

Of course you are not expected to believe straight away (though I HAVE heard testimonies of people who accepted Christ immediately after they heard the message/step into the church). What I am asking is for you to be open to the message that was shared during the Good Friday cell meeting.

If your friend's church was under LoveSingapore, I'm pretty sure you've watched "The Crossing". It was a pretty old film but it sorta brings the message "Christ died for the unbelievers too" across. Certainly, Christianity is more than just a film or a page in the Bible or History book. It's a relationship with God.

Question: Do you feel a prompting /stirring in your heart when the message was shared or during the worship session?

Kuali Baba SG

You need to do your own research and question the beliefs you take for granted. Read critically for and against the various religions and science by scientists, sociologists, religious figures, etc. Evaluate what you object to - theology/science/rationalisation as an institution, regime or philosophy. Pursue knowledge for its own sake. And finally, you have to make the decision for yourself.

FireIce SG

u believe ur one
i believe my one
u dun come and ask me join ur one
i dun ask u come and join my one
ownself jaga ownself one
u want to believe in shui jiao or lan jiao oso can
as long as u happy can oredi

AndrewPKYap SG

which to believe?

last good friday i attended a friends cell group meeting... and i was asked the "golden" question .. Do you believe?

i said i had to think about it ..

but i'm still thinking about it now ..

i've been an athiest my whole life ... big bang, evoloution

and then suddenly i've been asked to believe ..(not that i'm not expecting it ..)

====================

but it's the way people asks you to believe ..

look at the links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9IPoAdct8

they make it sound as if they have been forced to believe ..

i'm contemplating weather i should bellieve or not but they way they are promoting it makes me feel very obligated ..

=====================

from a chirstiant's view point , can you pls tell me how you feel about those videos and if all christiants feel the same ..

=====================

i'm in a very confused state now so those of you who want to BullShit, Pls, PLS go another topic ... tyvm

There are two ways to live your life.

1. Believe in things that are not proven

2. Believe only in things that are proven

From these two alternatives, you have:

1a. If you choose one, you can believe any crap like A Magical Pink Unicorn is living among us and takes care of us even though we cannot see it.

2a. To be scientific and logical is difficult.

So most people simply find something to believe in, and live their lives according to some organisation, so that they do not have to try to figure it out for themselves.

So to put it simply, if you are lazy and stupid, you should just cling on to the beliefs of one of the major established beliefs system (small off-shoots of these can be dangerous) for that will eliminate the need to think intelligently and logically.

I always tell people, dont, laugh at religious people, they have it easy. It is so much easier to say, Jesus, Buddha, the priest, the pastor said this and so this is what I do. It is so difficult to try to determine the probability of each relevant fact and then logically string them together to find a valid conclusion.

Beautiful951 SG

There are two ways to live your life.

1. Believe in things that are not proven

2. Believe only in things that are proven

From these two alternatives, you have:

1a. If you choose one, you can believe any crap like A Magical Pink Unicorn is living among us and takes care of us even though we cannot see it.

about your pink unicorn

Belivers are normal too.

kengkia SG

if u have been an atheist for ye whole life, why are u so easily swayed by others?

i dun believe, do you?

hi five me too...and dun forget that DPRK is a atheist country...

AndrewPKYap SG

about your pink unicorn

Belivers are normal too.

Re this link you provided: Belivers are normal too.

As usual, in the link you provided, it is full of hot air and full of claims without even one piece of verifable evidence or even link to verifable evidence.

As usual believers will simply quote such crap and say.... so and so said it (in this case, the article, but usually it is Jesus, Buddha, pastors, priests, monk... say.... ) and refuse to find out and work it out for themselves, refuses to think logically....

Re this link you provided: about your pink unicorn

The argument is that people experience god, jesus, holy spirit, evil spirits, lord krishna, lord ganesh and so on and so forth but they do not experience The Pink Unicorn

Why should one claim that their experience is "of god" and then claim that oether people's experience is "of the devil"?

Just because people claim that their experience is "of god", "of the holy spirit" "of the son" "of the father" you believe them???!!!

Look at Thaipusam. When people go into trance, and claim that god was in them, christians and people not fo their religion will say that the devil was in them or it is just a natural phenomena of mind over the body.

The key of course is that if someone choose to say that their expriences are "of Jesus" or change his mind and say (the same person with the same experiences) that they are "of Lord Ganesh" nobody can say that they wrong or prove that they are wrong.

You want to believe things that are not proven or do you want to stick to things that are logically backed up with empirical data?

see my post above whatever your answer...

Beautiful951 SG

Seen it

AndrewPKYap SG

...and people are supposed to believe that? Oh yes, the lazy and stupid will.

Beautiful951 SG

...and people are supposed to believe that? Oh yes, the lazy and stupid will.

As usual, in the link you provided, it is full of hot air and full of claims without even one piece of verifable evidence or even link to verifable evidence.

But I think that it is useful to a point when it talks about the skeptics in general, saying that believers are stupid in general does emphasize on the point that even skeptics are not quite so rational. They do not want anyone to have a different viewpoint from themselves. We can add, "just like believers". Is there anyone truly free from beliefs? I doubt that. Even the most hardcore skeptic will believe in something apart from science. And that is because our world is so amazing that science does not explain everything that happens on its surface.

Stevenson101 SG

huh? whats that?

Basically you believe in the existence of a god, but not neccessarily of the currently established religions.

That's my belief as well, science primarily deals with the identifying of Nature's laws but who/what establishes those laws?

But then again, i don't believe it would be possible to understand a mind that could create stuff like that.