Ball Report

last SG · 2002-04-09T21:39:00+00:00

Hi Prataman, No, nope don't need that. My ball had acquired the art of self maintainance thru-out it's present lifespan of 4 1/2 years. Weapon Black (Oct19...

harmzuay SG

Whoa... I am awed by Mr Daemon. Shocked You have used more polishes than I've used balls man. That's very informative! Thanks.

Regrettably, I don't clean my gear often. Perhaps every 20 - 30 games. And it depends on what conditions i expect to face when i'm next due to use them. I usually don't clean them the day before a tournament that's played on synthetics because i found that going there with 'used' balls reduces the over-under i tend to get after a few shots, when the coverstock has adjusted. Also, i train only with one ball (DZ2), so my tournament balls are usually not worn. Smile

Cleaner wise, I use Track's Clean N' Polish. I used to use Sqeaky Clean until I ORD-ed and they told me it's no longer in production. I wa shattered - that polish was multi-use; now, there are polishes for every damn surface. I get the feeling we're being miilked here...
Anyway, Track polishes cost the same for 22oz, while the Columbia ones hold 16oz. But Track polishes have a bubble-gummy smell :p that i like.
And i use the Clean N Polish on my Heat2 Pearl, which i believe is particle? It works for me. I'm planning on getting a Dulling polish soon.
Any recommendations?

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Always remember: It's easier to spare from a channelball than a split. Very Happy

Deamon SG

Hi, wat's the grit of yr dull ball? 400grit sanded, 600 or 800? My powersurge is 800 grit sanded so i use track's clean and dull. but it didn't clean as well for my columbia game which is 360 grit sanded.In the past for that dull ball i would use neo tac renew it, but now i tend to use neo tac liquid sandpaper cos renew it is no longer available.

Thus as i dun really have 400grit sanded ball(except for 1),so i dun really know which cleaner is suitable .Perhaps Master liquid cleaner helps, as i use it for a dull rhino pro-teal before...but then that ball is 600 grit sanded.....

Ding SG

Are you guys from another planet?

You guys sounded like from a neighbouring planet next to Brendan's Smile

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chuanish SG

I'm using Neo Tec Renew It, deamon, it's out of production??? Damn, it's a nice cleaner! A bit on the ex side, for $22, but it smells good.

I used to be damn siao on and cleaned my new ball ALL the time, after every bowling session. But after 4 months, all my balls were given equal treatment, particle or plastic :p

harmzuay SG

Deamon
I'm afraid I don't know what's the surface on my ball. Surprised If i have one complaint about Walter (my driller), it's that he doesn't put much weight on the surface of the ball. To him, it's either shine or sand. I once asked him if he could sand my ball to a certain number, then he waved it off.

Deamon SG

Harmzuay...walter is a good driller, guess u hve to trust him cos he knows more in this field then we do.

Nowadays, its not how much side, top nor thumb weight that matters a lot;rather its the dynamics of the balls that determines the play. U need to let the driller know the ball u using is for what conditions, and he'll adjust to it accordingly.Thus the challenge is to know how comfortable u are with yr shot and how the ball react.

Personally, i like neo tac renew it, but then ever since bowlingasia close down, they don't import it in any more. so chuanish, do keep your cleaner as long as u can Smile

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harmzuay SG

yeah Deamon, I absolutely agree that Walter is a fantastic driller. Cool Cool Cool In fact, i rate him as one of the best. I can't dream of getting my equipment fired up by anyone else.
I just wanted to say that, it would be nice to adjust in slight moderations as well, say from 600 grit sanded to 800 grit. Walter adjusts the ball internally - drilling and core position, which does limit its effectiveness over a wide range of conditions. It would also help in gauging the box conditions of new equipment that comes out because i can compare them to what i have.

I agree on the insignificance of top and side weights nowadays. These are all static weights and are only useful for numbers and tourney regulations. The dynamic weight of the ball is what matters, and that changes with each bowlers style. Unfortunately, it is not possible to measure dynamic weights because the ball is in motion. That's what makes Walter so good - he can accurately determine a balls dynamic properties while drilling.

Ian SG

dun need any weights… trying to find some ball wif a good skid.. in fact..dun hook best. dying on wooden lanes and crying on cathy lanes. dry lanes.. i become some ang moh in hook potnetial. w/o the power.

prataman SG

I suppose using too much of an aggressive ball in a dry condition WOULD give you awesome hook in terms of boards covered, but it sure is going to burn up all it's energy finding the way to the pocket and hit slightly harder than a piece of pocket tissue.

If slapping on Diamond Gloss or polishing it up won't help..... then ye better get a ball with a mild cover, preferably polished. Don't bite too quickly. Urm... Tornado?

harmzuay SG

Prataman, there's no laughing here. The tornados are good balls. I was going to get the one that preceded them, what were they? Nitro? Gyro? I forgot. :p Anyway, i was going to get one, then they changed the colour, slap on a new name and BLAM! We have the rather ugly tornados...
Inside, they're the same ball, though. But to me, the appearance of the ball matters a lot.
Tornados - good balls.

airgrinder SG

thought I'll resurrect this tread by talking about my current ball, Tour Power 15-4lb from storm.

Been out of bowling for almost a month due to injury. Just recovered enough to go try some games at CDANS star bowl. For those who never been there before, its synthetic. Great, I thought, cos synthetic lanes tends to gather carrydown faster(time) then wooden lanes. Since I am out for a month, should have grown weaker, hence slower ball speed, more hook, handling carrydown should be no problem. Thinking I should do well in this condition, I stand at 30 aiming at third arrow and let the ball row. Ball hits 4-7 pocket. Keep changing till I am very deep inside, yet I the best I can manage is a cross pocket into 1-2. Next correction, I reduced my axis rotation to 20-30 deg. Still the balls did not go down long enough. It stills transits early. End of game 1: 127

For game 2, I removed my wrist guard and do a break wrist type manuver from deep into the boards. The ball hits mildy into 3-6. *yeap* at last the is one shot to the right. Chances of adjusting into the pocket looks great. However after the entire game 2, there were only 5 pocket hits, and not a single strike from any of them. Even the sound sounds weak and brittle. Alright, I console myself, nevermind, still got game 3, and I prepared myself for the next game.

Results for game 3,4 and 5: 24 pocket hits out of a possible 35 pocket shots. Of this 24 hits, only 6 yields a strike. Wah lau! What the hell am I shooting, the swiss cottage sec gal beside my lane can shoot a 186 hooking with a whitedot. At that time, think I could have given everything for a light-oil ball. (well, not everything <-in italic)

Went home with an average of 130 and a burning determination to train doubly hard for the up and coming TPB/SIM classic, and maybe a new light-oil ball. ;p

btw, the ebonite dynasty looks good, and the trimax 3 looks cool....

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harmzuay SG

Air (up there) :p
Wow! you're the first person I know to own the Tour Power. It's supposed to be a very good ball. I have some observations:

Was your surface sanded? I think the box surface is quite aggressive, so it might not have been you.

I agree when you say that you gave some room for a slower shotspeed after returning from injury and playing on synthetic lanes. However, you seem to have overlooked something:
The fact that they carrydown quicker means that there'll be less head-oil. And a slow ballspeed means that you burn energy before your breakpoint, resulting in your pancake hits.

From the description you gave, I assume you are using a leverage pattern, around 3 1/8" - 4 1/2"?? Surprised Does your layout look like this?

o <-- Pin
0 0 <-- Finger holes

* <-- CG

0 <-- Thumb hole

Heehee. That's the best i can do to 'illustrate'. Sad Anyway, if your ball is drilled to aid with leverage, then by breaking your wrist to achieve length, the ball is still burning up too quick. Not enough energy left to carry, even if the leverage assists in getting to the 1-3 pocket.

Anyhow, don't give up on the ball!! I believe it's a good core/cover. Just need to tweak it for the conditions. And get well soon!! Cool

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Always remember: It's easier to spare from a channelball than a split. Very Happy

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harmzuay SG

sorry about the "illustration" in the above post. It did not quite turn out how i'd intended. I tried to amend it, but nothing seems to work.

Anyway, the pin should be farther to the right, about a 2 o'clock position from the right finger hole.
The CG should be down along the centerline between the fingerholes, with the thumbhole directly beneath it.

Thank you.

prataman SG

Artist in the making, I see.

Btw Jordan, the Matrix Dynasty is more powerful than we think. Please don't mistake it for a light oil ball. It WILL make the hard turn on the dry. Perhaps it was meant for light oil, but only for deeper angles.

The Matrix TRIMAX 3, forget about it. You're talking about the burgundy coloured one, right? It's covered with an even stronger coverstock than the Dynasty. Dry lanes? Try a Tornado instead, or a Stinger.

I've gotta get me a Tornado too. Seems to be the only thing that will spare the 1,3,6 or 3,6,10 on dry lanes for me!!!
Smile

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airgrinder SG

hamzuary,
yeah, its looks like wat u described, but I am not sure if its leverage drilling. I downloaded Storm's Basic drilling layouts. From the graphics presented, it can be either a label or leverage drilled. Think the difference between them is for leverage drill, the PAP is 3 3/8" away from both the CG and pin posn. Nvd, will bowl again tmr and see how it goes.

No way I am going to give up on my beloved Tour Power. I shot my highest average with this ball. Its just that the ball doesn't suit the lanes (btw, I forgot to mention in the previous post that the backend was fried!)

deamon, now am looking at the old Cuda/C 2000. Saw it avaliable at Plaza and CDANS.

rdgs

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harmzuay SG

The Cuda C/2000 is a very good ball. I've had a friend highly recommend it to me, unfortunately, I didn't have the money to purchase it back then. I'm not sure if it is as weak as you'd hope it to be.

The Storm Hot line of balls are really good for dry conditions. I would try the Ultrahot - looks good too!

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