G_d three distinct persons?? Really??

last SG · 2007-01-12T11:29:31+00:00

Yahweh is not three distinct persons. It is very very clear, Yahweh is ONE GOD. Hence I always post: Shema Israel Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad. What is so h...

vince69 SG

Not really, its more like man's futile attempt to describe God.

btw, you did not mention that the word Trinity was not mentioned in neither the OT nor the NT (its an infered notion).
Smile

breytonhartge SG

is this inferred notion biblical or is it man made... I assume it is man made... we have been brainwashed so long that we need to seek the truth of the matter.

like icy said, trinity never mentioned in Holy Scripture.

Icemoon SG

Don't be too happy yet.

Yeshua also not spelt out in the Holy Scripture. Twisted Evil

Or else why was the Mesorah silent about the arrival of God as Messiah as the sacrifice?

Icemoon SG

The Jews did not shun away from describing God. Read Ein Sof and the Tree of Life.

Trinity is just a marketing word like Ipod. Laughing

breytonhartge SG

A. Prophecies concerning his birth:
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He would be born in Bethlehem. -- Micah 5:2
He would be born of a virgin. -- Isaiah 7:14
He would be a descendent of David. -- Jeremiah 23:5 (inter alia)
He would be called out of Egypt. -- Isaiah 11:1
He would come 434 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem -- Daniel 9:24-27
B. Prophecies concerning his ministry:
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He would be preceded by "a voice crying in the wilderness" -- Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1.
Through him God would honor Galilee. -- Isaiah 9:1,2
He would be a "light to the Gentiles." -- Isaiah 42:6
He would speak in parables. -- Psalm 78:2
He would heal the blind, the deaf and the lame. -- Isaiah 35:5
He would work quietly, without fanfare. -- Isaiah 42:1-4
He would enter Jerusalem riding on the colt of a donkey. -- Zechariah 9:9
His people would reject him. -- Isaiah 49:7, 52:14, 53:3
C. Prophecies Concerning his suffering and death:
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He would be betrayed by someone he ate with. -- Psalm 41:9
His " sheep " would be scattered. -- Zechariah 13:7
He would not protest. -- Isaiah 53:7, 12
His back would be beaten. -- Isaiah 50:6
They would spit on him. -- Isaiah 50:6.
He would be sorely disfigured. -- Isaiah 52:14
He would die among criminals. -- Isaiah 53:9 , 12
His hands and feet would be pierced. - Psalm 22:16
People would cast lots (like drawing straws) for his clothes. - Psalm 22:18.
He would rise from the dead. - Isaiah 53:11,12

Icemoon SG

All these verses do not mean a thing. Because we can always interpret them differently, like the Jews. I won't go into their interpretation here.

Suffice to say, it is very easy for God to be much clearer. About the Messiah as God and Messiah as sacrifice.

God is very clear when it comes to observing the Torah. When it is unclear in Scripture, the Mesorah will fill the void.

How come God is so not clear when it comes to Yeshua?

breytonhartge SG

was Yahweh unclear when it came to Yeshua??

Icemoon SG

Of course.

The question is .. if Yahweh was clear .. why the Jews don't believe?

And we are not even talking about pagan Jews here.

Icemoon SG

Brey, I don't feel good seeing you quote rabbinical commentators when they don't believe in Yeshua.

You quote Rashi? Oh come on ..

breytonhartge SG

did I quote Rashi?

breytonhartge SG

they believe in Yeshua, they are waiting for Him to come. All the ferverent Jews are looking for Messiah.

Icemoon SG

Your articles do. And you are endorsing them.

Icemoon SG

But is Yeshua the Messiah? It is unfair to claim they believe in Yeshua. You projected your belief of the Messiah onto their belief?

breytonhartge SG

the articles that I post in Exhortation and encouragement are daily Torah portions, I find that there is still a lot of wisdom in them, take the meat and spit the bones, I also post from other sources...

why do I post them? because they have good insights into Jewish thinking... and why not since the Jews have walked longest with Yahweh.

Icemoon SG

Ok .. when I read wisdom and insights from the Jews .. my anger has subsided somehow. Mr. Green

breytonhartge SG

We know that Yeshua is the Messiah... and they are waiting for Messiah.

Why do they not see? Ref Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

breytonhartge SG

too hot tempered also not good for your health... me is like that type A personality... but have learnt to cool down... Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

So the brethren are ignorant?

Even for the scholars and sages responsible for the Mesorah? Even the Rebbe was kept in the dark?

So how was the situation like? Rabbi like Hillel and Akiva didn't know that?

And an ulu student of Gamaliel knew that? Laughing

Or Hillel and Akiva knew that but was sworn to secrecy by God? Rolling Eyes

breytonhartge SG

Notice this admission in the New Bible Dictionary: "The term 'Trinity' is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency and formal elucidation only in the 4th and 5th centuries" (1996, "Trinity").

An interesting piece of information that I found whilst googling the term trinity...

breytonhartge SG

An interesting explanation on Matthew28:19

What About Matthew 28:19?
Matthew 28:19 is a sometimes misunderstood biblical passage with regard to the Trinity doctrine. "Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in ['into,' Greek eis] the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

Remember the important principle that the Bible interprets the Bible. What this particular passage shows us is the proper baptismal formula, not a description of the nature of God.

Notice Acts 2:38: "Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." After real repentance and being baptized, the example from Scripture is that a minister lays his hands on the repentant person and he or she receives the Holy Spirit directly from God (Acts 8:14-17).

Important as it is, baptism alone is not sufficient. It must be followed by the biblically mandated laying on of hands for the receiving of the Holy Spiritthe seed of eternal life (Acts 19:1-6). We cannot partake of God's nature (2 Peter 1:4) without first being begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit, which imparts that divine nature.

Christ's instruction in Matthew 28:19 presumes that, before being baptized, believers will learn of God the Father, His Son and the Holy Spirit. At baptism, they enter into a personal family relationship with God the Father and the Son through the Holy Spirit, thereby receiving the name of God (compare Ephesians 3:14-15). This is the message of Matthew 28:19.

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