Originally posted by breytonhartge:
but then you say you follow Yeshua? so Yeshua said that Love the
Lord your God with all your heart mind and strengh and love your
neighbour as your self. On these hang the LAW and the
prophets.
Yes, we follow Jesus commands not Moses'
commands. The new commandment of Jesus is infinitely higher than
Moses'. Moses said: and love your neighbour as your self, he told
that to Israel. The Christians after the Holy Spirit has indwelt
them are given a new commandment: Joh 15:12 "This is My
commandment, that you love one another as I have loved
you
Which is higher, loving other people
like we love ourselves or loving people like Jesus loved
us?
Why do I keep emphasising that we are to know and obesrve the law?
No we are no longer under the law, that would mean that we are
slaves to it. Being under the law means that we are trying to get
saved through keeping the law.
Hoho........i disagree. Paul disagrees
with you: Ga 3:2 Give me an answer to this one question, Did the
Spirit come to you through the works of the law, or by the hearing
of faith? 3 Are you so foolish?
having made a start in the Spirit, will you now be made complete in
the flesh? Galatians fell into the error of legalism. They absorbed
the doctrines of Judaizers like you to be justified by faith + Law
and sanctified by faith + Law
It means we are not trusting in what Yeshua did for us and so are
trying to achieve righteousness through our own works. Another word
for this is legalism. Which is not what I am advocating. It is a
very fine line.
Ga 3:3 Are you so foolish? having made a
start in the Spirit, will you now be made complete in the
flesh?
Shaul says that the law shows us what sin is, it shows us what is
right and wrong. Rom3:20 and Rom 7:7. The law exposes sin in our
lives, it cannot save us. Only repentance and faith in Yeshua can.
Legalism is the curse that we have been set free from.
Legalism is not the curse of the
Law
Legalism is a misuse of the law. We are never supposed to be "under
the law" trying to achieve our own righteousness. However we are
called to fulfill the law in the power of the Holy Spirit.
All 9 of the 10 commandments are carried
into the commands of grace in the New Testament. When we walk in
the Spirit, when we keep our focus on Christ letting Him drive and
control our lives, we spontaneously emit the righteous requirements
of the Law. The Law was a shadow of Jesus, the Savior. What the Law
was Jesus is.
Understand that freedom is not the do whatever we want. REAL
freedom is the ability to do what is RIGHT. If we are saved through
faith in Yeshua, and then live in willful disobedience to the Law,
we are living in sin.
Our law is the Law of Jesus. The Law of
Love. The more we know Jesus and His grace, the better we know how
we can let His life live in us. We fix our eyes on Jesus not on the
Law and when we do that (focusing on Jesus) we examine our lives,
and we will just realize that this is just what the Law
requires!!!! We focus on the Law, we can't obey it. We focus on
Jesus (our Law), the righteous requirements of the Law is fulfilled
in us. 2Co 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a
mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same
image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the
Lord.
This is called lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 states very clearly that
everyone who sins breaks the law, sin is lawlessness. Yeshua says
in Matthew 7:21-23, lawless people cannot inherit the kingdom of
Yahweh.
Being under grace is not lawlessness in
fact it is freedom from sin and the Law (which is the strength of
sin) . Ro 6:14 For sin will not have dominion over you. For you are
not under law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin, because
we are not under law, but under grace? May it never be!
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God has come, giving salvation to all
men,
12 Training us so that, turning away from evil and the desires of
this world, we may be living wisely and uprightly in the knowledge
of God in this present life;
Again let me quote someone: The Bible clearly teaches in many
places that a Christian is not under the law of Moses. Those who
insist that we are under the law of Moses mistakenly claim that
without the law of Moses you give a licenses to sin. What they
dont realize is that just because Christians are not under the law
of Moses doesnt mean they are without divine law. Think about it
for a moment, people from Adam to Moses were without the law of
Moses, yet God gave them commands to follow as previously shown
above. Some of the laws given to those from Adam to Moses were
similar to those given in the Mosaic law, such as murder. Yet
others were complete opposites such as the eating of clean and
unclean animals. There were two different laws to govern two
different groups of people. The same is true today, Christians are
not under the law of Moses, they are under the law of Christ which
is love. Therefore the divine law for Christians is the law of
love. If we love God as we should then we would never sin against
Him. If we love our neighbors and enemies as we should then we
would never sin against them. The law of love is far superior to
the law of Moses. The law of Moses was an external list of 613 dos
and dont which one could be forced to follow to a certain degree
even if their heart was not in it. On the other hand the law of
love covers every conceivable sin one can commit and those who obey
do so from the heart because true love comes from the heart. This
is why love is the greatest law and fulfills the law and the
prophets. Christians do not commit murder, adultery, lies etc.
because it is against the law of love, not because it is a
violation of the Mosaic law. We obey righteousness because we are
under the law of Christ, not as incorrectly claimed by some that we
are under the law of Moses
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the
kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done
many wonders in Your name? 23 And then I will declare to them, I
never knew you; depart from Me, [b]you who practice
lawlessness!
Legalism is a misuse of the law. Lawlessness is to rebel against
the law. The right way is through Yahweh's holy word and
instruction. We are in a new covenant where we obey Yahweh's laws
in the power of the Holy Spirit. [/b]
Yeah 
Paul was also accused of two things
because of his teaching on grace (that we are not under law but
under grace) He was accused of license to sin: Ro 6:1 What may we
say, then? are we to go on in sin so that there may be more grace?
He went on explaining No, you can't live in sin you died to it. He
was accused of lawlessness: Ro 6:15 What then? are we to go on in
sin because we are not under law but under grace? Let it not be
so!!! He went on explaining that we may not be under the Law
becaused we died to it but we are under Christ who is a higher law,
married to him.
The administration of the law started at
Sinai and ended at the cross. The Law is for Jews exclusively. What
you are quoting are directed to the Jews still under the
administration of the Law (Old covenant). After the cross a new
administration began, the administration of Grace.
Eph 2:15 And in his human nature put an
end to the cause of enmity between them--the Law with its
injunctions and ordinances--in order to create, through union with
himself, from Jew and Gentile, one New Man and thus make
peace.
Col 2:14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its
legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. You
don't belong to Israel, you belong to the Christian administration
(His kindness to non-jews like us)