Singapore vs Saudi Arabia

last SG · 2008-06-14T20:30:56+00:00

I think its all over for sg,they have to win their last 2 games with 4-5 goals at least and hope Saudi(home) lose to Uzbek in their last match. Most probab...

eagle SG

it seem like most ppl in this forum is talking, that doesnt mean we are all cheap. i dont mind if u are one.

one who dont know soccer just talk crap not cheap.

So have you represented Singapore in anything before today such that you can talk loud?

I have worn the Singapore blazer and represented Singapore. Have you? Do you know it feels to be a national representative?

That is what I am saying about you: Talk is cheap.

eagle SG

i am not here to make enemy. i am 100% singaporean, i serve in NS. active in speaker corner forums and what does it serve me to see singapore fall flat on their faces. the difference between me and you is that i see room for improvement, and i state the ways we need to improve. while you avoid the problems we have, and keep saying we improve and fail to address, how much we improve, where it has lead singapore, how the improvement are in comparison to our rival asian country.

a loser in my definition is when in the face of losing a match, still say we improve, we are alright and let move on. a winner is someone who lose a match, admit we are poor , what we need to improve further and get better.

So qualifying to be competing with Saudi and Ubk at this stage of the WC is not considered an improvement over previous efforts?

None of us here said that we are not poor and do not need to improve further and do not need to get better. We are saying that Singapore has improved, which you have continuously claimed that Singapore didn't.

eagle SG

how much laotians are spending in comparison to our FAS?

they had their own economic problems and heaps of domestic problems.

i would like to compare singapore with Thailand. during their recent lost to thailand, many of their newspaper criticise their player for lack of motivation and technical competence. that is not to say, they lost to Japan 3-0 at their own homw ground. but at in the stadium , there are more Japs than local thais. that the kind of message that the thais are sending to their national players.

my apology if i offend anyone, anyway this forumes should respect the view and differences perspective of individual.

no offence!

You have no right to talk about respecting others when you cannot even give some respect to the efforts that has been put in by the national team while you are comfortably lazing somewhere to merely criticize.

reyes SG

u dont need to be national player to criticise any sports right?

do all sports writer/pundits need to be ex national player to write articles about football? please state what sport you represent singapore ? football? if not why are u talking about football? i find your logic childish.

maybe you should never be coach or leading figure of any company and organisation coz your view of improving is just within your own expectation and not in respect of what rivals are performing.

and i find that more alarming the view coming from someone who claim to represent singapore in unknown sports. in my opinion, that is not opinion of a sportsman.

reyes SG

i never say singapore are poor. please quote me.

you said singapore is poor.i didnt. i just find that your view are contridicting.

you agree singapore need to improve. great. that what i am trying to say and u finally agree!

u claim singapore improve, in your opinion yes because u base on we qualify for the first time the second qualifying round. i say not so, coz qualifying is depend on who you play the previous round.

why dont you tell us which dept of play singapore improve? striker? defender? midfield? or still want to singapore footballs fans must support and appreciate because they try their best? dint they get their pay? din they need to prove themselves first before they can win over the fans?

reyes SG

So have you represented Singapore in anything before today such that you can talk loud?

I have worn the Singapore blazer and represented Singapore. Have you? Do you know it feels to be a national representative?

That is what I am saying about you: Talk is cheap.

before you open your mouth and start blasting. just see my below comment.

i saw your posting in speaker corner talking about politics and criticising certain ppl and issues. are you a politician? if not why are you talking politics? do you know why it feel like to be politician? isnt it talking is cheap?

what do you have to say?

eagle SG

before you open your mouth and start blasting. just see my below comment.

what do you have to say?

To have the right to tell me that, you have to be a politician or be involved in politics first. And anyway, I have studied modules on politics at the university level. I've written and gotten an A- for my politics essay. So tell me, what have you accomplished to possess the right to put forward the above passage to me?

But I've the right to tell you that your talk is cheap in this thread because I have represented Singapore and you have not. This is talking from the viewpoints and opinions of a ex-national representative(no, it's not sports) on your posts on fellow Singaporeans representatives wearing the national blazer. And that's the difference. You have totally disregarded the improvements from the hard work of people who are representing Singapore and slogging themselves out while you are just lazing away at a corner.

The improvements might be small and might be insufficient, that I agreed with you. However, you are totally disregarding any improvements, although they might be very small.

Let's recap:

sorry no 4-0 scoreline, the best i can find is as above, still i dont see we are how in 2007 we can get 1:2 and 2008 we lost 2:0 home and away as improvement.

It's ironic how you can use the scoreline as a support for you that there has been no improvements, yet tell me that

u claim singapore improve, in your opinion yes because u base on we qualify for the first time the second qualifying round. i say not so, coz qualifying is depend on who you play the previous round.

Also, you said that

give credit for being lousy?

and you tell me later that "i never say singapore are poor"

Finally,

A winner is someone who loses a match, knows where we have improved (or dropped), and then admit we are still as poor (or in nicer words, we have clashed with a better team), knows what we need to improve further and get better.

eagle SG

Reyes, you should never work in any team because the moment you talk, you will aim straight to demoralise your team members by discounting totally any improvements and progress they have made, no matter how tiny. You will be a hindrance to any team.

reyes SG

give credit for being lousy?

and you tell me later that "i never say singapore are poor"

now, to just picking sentences is very wrong, lousy is said by someone else, i simply quote! please check it before you write.

i bet base on your above commment, we are have improve and we are still poor? bet everyone will be confuse!. as i mention till this day, i never say singapore are poor. you did! i would rather point out to my team, we are not performing to the standard we are capable of, we need to rewards the fans, your country your adopted country. play as though this is your match and match of your life! and stop confusing the player are still good dispite losing 7-3 in front of the home fans. maybe only you can deceive the players, i cannot.

reyes SG

sorry no 4-0 scoreline, the best i can find is as above, still i dont see we are how in 2007 we can get 1:2 and 2008 we lost 2:0 home and away as improvement.

It's ironic how you can use the scoreline as a support for you that there has been no improvements, yet tell me that

it is even a joke an improvement in sports is not judge by results? to say you ever represent singapore, can be even bigger joke. you tell me what can judge an improvement in soccer without talking about scoreline and result?

you tell me again, what get a manager fired in soccer? why a player was bought to a club? why a player was choosen to represent a country? like yourself, represent for the sake because no one better was around?

how abt character improvement?2.4 km run? standing broad jump?

reyes SG

well eagle, dont you think guus hiddink was well sought after manager because he is stern disciplinarian too? did you think he has any good to say about his own russia team after they lose 4-1 to spain? want me to quote what he say? and where is russia now? they have just qualify for the euro08 quarterfinals.

a strong minded player will excel to prove critics wrong, while a weak one get weaker.

maybe you are like steve mc claren style, keeping optimism and praising player dispite playing badly. get the team in a false impression they are fine and in the end. the england team never qualify and the manager got fired!

reyes SG

you still fail to address the point i am trying to paint.

you are the one who say, i never represent singapore and why i am talking about soccer. but i had play at military unit level. counted? because by studying politics on a modules that is to say theorical, can criticise a govt policy, that to say, i had play soccer and should be more qualify to talk soccer, even though i never represent singapore. am i right?

eagle SG

now, to just picking sentences is very wrong, lousy is said by someone else, i simply quote! please check it before you write.

That someone else said they are lousy, but they should be given credit for improvement.

You questioned immediately that if they should be given credit for being lousy,showing you saying that they are lousy/poor. Are you to deny this? Or is it just your expression of your actual opinions is flawed?

i bet base on your above commment, we are have improve and we are still poor? bet everyone will be confuse!.

Nah, only you are confused. That's what most pple is saying in this thread.

i would rather point out to my team, we are not performing to the standard we are capable of, we need to rewards the fans, your country your adopted country. play as though this is your match and match of your life!

This isn't what we are against you about. We are against your point that Singapore has not improved.

eagle SG

how abt character improvement?2.4 km run? standing broad jump?

it is even a joke an improvement in sports is not judge by results

Glad you understood this. Now back to the point, how can Singapore not have improved when they showed you their result of qualifying for this stage of the world cup, which they have never done before?

eagle SG

a strong minded player will excel to prove critics wrong, while a weak one get weaker.

Playing badly and playing at a new level, stage, where Singapore has never been at before, are totally different. No use drawing parallels between them.

eagle SG

you still fail to address the point i am trying to paint.

You still don't get the point.
Play at military unit level and comment about national level?

Essay writing and commenting on politics in modules to essay writing and commenting on politics in forum on policies that affect us directly?

One additional thing I forgot to mention earlier

Politics is for the nation and it will affect our daily lives; everyone has the right to give comments.

Soccer does not affect your daily life, and totally not giving credit when it is due, is something both you and me do not have the right to do so. The least you could do for someone else representing your country is to give some credit when it is really due. Your suggestions and comments on their fitness level were not wrong, and were not disagreed upon; it is your stand that they have not improved which I'm against.

But now, if you tell me Singapore start losing matches consistently to Thailand and Malaysia, then yes, they have not improved. I'm just as results-oriented as you in this manner. Fact is, they have won the Tiger Cup and move on to reach this stage of the WC.

My stand is still the same. Singapore has improved, but it is still lousy.

Short Ninja SG

Mr Reyes,you said that the National team should play like their lives depended on the match and I believe they did and lost,lets not forget they played against the likes of Uzkekistan and Saudi Arabia.We are talking Singapore soccer and not about their failure to qualify for 2010.Regional wise the Lions have proven to be champions and no matter how small that achievement may appear to you we stil have to give them credit for that.For the record, they got to this qualifying stage for the first time and so it is not wrong to say they have improved.

redDUST SG

......Singapore is a country that would demand they first give up their Nationality before becoming a Singaporean

don't be too sure about it.....u think egmar gonzales is still singaporean? it's more like he's ditched his red passport and return to brazil with the monies he amassed here.

closer to me, my cousin became an aussie 2 years back and he is still holding his singapore passport.

Short Ninja SG

don't be too sure about it.....u think egmar gonzales is still singaporean? it's more like he's ditched his red passport and return to brazil with the monies he amassed here.

closer to me, my cousin became an aussie 2 years back and he is still holding his singapore passport.

There is no doubt that Egmar is a Brazilian first and Singaporean only in his dreams but he did serve Singapore for a while and so Obrigado to him.

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