lexus IS 250

last SG · 2007-04-25T00:46:29+00:00

can't agree more with you! what i think most important is that since i am willing to buy a car which is more than 100k, buy it happy, have no regrets!

cosmic_rides SG

confirmed!

nyox SG

wahaha u actually bothered to look up his friendster Mr. Green

seriously jeje, drive lexus so? don't need so arrogant mah. n0x was

comparing the IS to the MarkX out of practicality reasons. Same engine, more

powerful, larger platform, $30K cheaper. It's quite obvious what's the choice.

unless people like u lor, buy a lexus to satisfy ur ego Rolling Eyes

KangZ SG

You mean Jonathan Pan? Indeed he is a very nice chap Very Happy talked to him briefly when I accompanied my dad to the showroom. Just wondering though..is the TS considering other alternatives?

n0x SG

thing is i am not even comparing and saying which is better

i am juz stating facts in case TS do not know cos mark x i not carried by AD here...

jeje008 SG

Hmmm... ok I will like to apologise here. Didn't mean to start a war in the first place.

Sorry nox, cos I have heard too many people making stoopid comments like "Har? buy IS250 might as well buy Mark X". But really, how to compare? besides same engine? So when I saw your post I thought you are implying the same thing. Apologies here.

Then someone made some comments about "rain noise". Wahlao.. Rolling Eyes

Ok paiseh if I had incurred the wrath of any bros here. Peace. Smile

KangZ SG

Originally posted by n0x:
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air conditioned seats at the front... u scared too hot ur balls over heat ah/???

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Actually ventilated seats are good for our hot & humid local weather. I am someone who sweat very easily, and when sitting in a car our backs are pressed against the seat (no air circulation). If I get into my car with my shirt being slightly damp from the wet, most probably it will remain damp after I get out of the car. Ventilated seats will definitely be a godsend to me, to be honest.

jeje008 SG

Sorry nyox, I have to disagree with your statement here.

Lotus Elise vs Toyota Celica: Toyota Celica same engine, larger space, can sit 4 people, larger platform, $100K+ cheaper. Are you saying the obvious choice is a Toyota Celica over the Lotus Elise? Rolling Eyes

Same line of argument: are you saying buying a Ssangyong is an obvious choice over buying a Mercedes Benz?

bir milyon SG

Lexus is the correct choice.Their car is great and i can say that from my experiences that they have the best before and after service(certainly better than Mercedes and BMW). Maybe you could try to get your other friends or relatives to order together so to get a better price. Smile

rmyfrm SG

I'm going to pis-s heaps of people off by saying this:

For those who equate Lexus to Toyota, you obviously do not come from the upper middle class of Singapore; true blue typical heartlander/chinaman mentality.

If you argue that buying an IS250 over a Mark X = going on an ego trip, but go on to state that this argument does not apply to European cars, then I must point out that you suffer from an immense inferiority complex; if you don't see the reason why, then I highly recommend you keep your mouth shut, than open it and sound stupid.

I completely agree and stand by jeje0808; he has articulated the case well.

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The IS250 is a nice car; with its brand value increasing every year, you really are paying to drive a Lexus. No PI comes close. In the past, with Windom, arguably it might have been more practical buying the latter (even then, this argument probably carries no weight; if you're looking at premium brands, you probably wouldn't want to lose respect for driving a "fake" - that is, a non-BM "lexus"; and FYI, most premium-car owners I know, can and will distinguish between a real Lexus and the lesser Windom).

Do consider the GS; with the marginal pricing difference, you would get alot more car for the money. Else, keep your mind open to the other premium manufacturers. I assume you're a young professional (most IS buyers are), and would recommend considering the S40 (which is much cheaper).

autobrakes SG

Quoted for truth

sir_boris SG

Buy what you like.

Just make sure you can AFFORD it, upfront, while running it.. and more importantly, at the end when you let go of it.

bir milyon SG

Totally agreed with you. Most importantly is you are happy with your choice.Buy what you like and of course within your limits and not be in deep debt. Very Happy

play_n_play SG

1. A bit expensive compared to BMW;
2. If your height is above 1.75, it is not easy for the driver seat.
3. Still a Japanese car;

Laughing

nyox SG

maybe we have to compare apples to apples here. you're comparing the lotus elise (supercar category, i stand corrected) and the toyota celica (sports coupe category). of course it is not in the same benchmark. the elise is a car for the hardcore car enthusiast.

as for ssanyong vs benz i won't comment on that cos i do not know much about the ssangyong brand.

i not putting down lexus or whatsoever, my dad himself drives the GS300 and its indeed an engineering marvel.

my point here in comparing the 2 cars is that do u feel the extra $30k you're paying is really worth the money for all that extra luxuries and refinement? in my personal opinion, no. i'd get the X in this case, or top up the difference for the GS300.

peace man. Smile

s0ftdr|nk SG

thanks guys for all the information needed. Went to performance motor to test drive the BM 320, exterior view looks ok, but don't quite like the interior. good response, but not as good as lexus in terms of pick up. But i know there is still much more room to mod in the BM. Somemore, lots of BM on the road already, a bit common. but they did gave me a attractive package.

Went to C&C, heard that new C class coming soon, so, no more C200, only 180... Don't quite like the C class as well, looks like driving my dad car more.

So, i think i going to buy IS liao, thanks guys!

The above are purely my views, no intention of war! peace!

A_vErY_pOoR_gUy SG

Chill. Everyone values different things in a car.

There are definitely some differences betw a lexus and toyota in order to justify the 30k difference. Afterall, its a choice of whether u think it is worth the extra 30k or not.

Similarly, there is difference between a conti and lexus. conti as in bmw and mercs.... Similarly, there is a reason behind the pricing. They are no the same as well.

jeje008 SG

My response to your comments:

1) And why shouldn't the IS250 be more expensive than the BMW? For the price of $130k, which BMW can you get? Yup the BMW 320. But BMW is 2 litres, 155bhp, torque less than 200nm, 0-100kmph in 9.7 secs. The killer thing is: a BLODDY 4-CYLINDER engine! Laughing Also, tail-end model, Euro NCAP rating 4 stars. Lest you guys don't know: the Honda Civic 2.0 is more powerful than the BMW 320.

On the other hand, the IS250 is 2.5 litres, 205bhp, 252 nm torque, 0-100kmph in 8.2 secs (US website is 7.9 secs). Best part: extremely smooth V6 ENGINE! New model on the road, Euro NCAP rating 5 full stars! Also, bros please go see the 3-series' interior and compare that to the interior of the IS250. How to fight? IS250 is so full of gadgets over the 320 (yup I know, mine is just a humble Standard Version. But just the Standard version also win already).

Anyway, for those who are interested, even the BMW 323 doesn't match up to the IS250 in terms of specs - BMW 323 being a 177 bhp car, with slower pickup at 8.9 secs. And again, plain interior like the BMW 320. And the 323 is priced at $140k to $150k region!

So if you really want to compare price, compare the IS250 to the 2.5 litres BMW 325. Now that is a level-to-level comparison. But of cos la, my bet is BMW 325 is more zippy than the IS250 bcos BMW 325 is 218bhp in its extremely sweet in-line 6-pots engine. But again, interior comfort and quietness? Probably the IS250 again. And the BMW 325 is priced much more than the 323!

So please don't say that the Lexus is more expensive than the BMW. Bcos the entry-level of a Lexus is MUCH higher spec than the entry-level of the BMW.

2) Yup I do agree that the IS250 is pretty cramped, especially at the back. But the 3-series isn't any much better. Probably the C-class is more spacious. But hack la. For me, I am driving myself and my girl in more than 80% of the time that I am driving the car.

3) Hmm.. when it comes to badging, really very subjective and personal already. So I can't argue on that. Some people feel that drivng a badge is more important, however crap the car can be. My suggestion is: go for the car that makes you feel good. If you feel that the badge of a car makes you feel good, then go for it. For me, I chose the IS250 because the drive makes me feel good. You can imagine the smirk on my face everytime I see a BMW 323 or C-class on the road. Smokin time! Twisted Evil

jeje008 SG

Thanks bro for standing by my views.

By the way, I read from other car forums that Lexus just won the very coveted award of "2007 World Car of the Year" at the New York Motorshow (the Oscars of car awards). The jurors are from 22 countires, most of which are European countries. For these Europeans to give this award to a Jap car, I think it goes to say a lot about the Lexus.

So what is this thing about "still a Japanese car" again? Cool

KangZ SG

Actually if you are talking about World Car of the Year, a large chunk of the jurors are from North America and Japan. Out of 43 of them, 8 are from USA, 2 from Canada, 7 from Japan. Sure, it does not make up the majority (17/43). There are 15 Europeans, and the rest (11) of the jurors are from the rest of the world. Sounds fair, doesn't it? But you must look at which car each grp of people will vote for.

1. Japanese
Is there any doubt here? Unless you wanna play with the idea of them voting for the Suzuki.

2. North Americans
No American car is among the top 10 finalists. And they are fans of the Lexus all along.

3. Europeans
Now this is the tricky part. There are so many appealing Europeans products in the list (for e.g. TT, Q7, CL, C4 and the beautiful C6). Most probably the European votes are split among the different European contenders. The French will vote for the Citroens, the Germans..well who knows?

4. Rest of the world
I suspect most of them will go for the Lexus and the Europeans.

Overall conclusion? There are so many strong European contenders and just one strong Japanese contender. I believe the bros here are intelligent enough to understand the implications. And yes, some ppl may say that the jurors are supposed to be fair and objective. So the best car wins, right? Not necessarily, some jurors have admitted in the past that the COTY award is just an exercise in national pride.

Dun be mistaken, the LS which won this award is a masterpiece in its own right. let's not take anything away from such a good car. But we, as intelligent consumers, really need to take the advice from the so called experts with a pinch of salt. To me, this WCOTY award is just like the Champions League. Liverpool had won the title, and may win it again this year. But does it make it the best team in Europe? Obviously not.

The most impt COTY award is always your own COTY award. Buy something you appreciate, and not something the rest of the world seemingly loves.

soulwinner SG

Can post a pic and the price...? Very Happy

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