Bel' Air

last SG · 2006-03-24T14:29:35+00:00

anyone knows George Lim from FGN personally?

fganti SG

i agree with u

VeryFree1 SG

They are doing the "copy cat" business, each down line copy their up line ma... eventhos dukes also the same , their up up duke also buy up to become duke ma... ha ha ha Laughing

fganti SG

Just read this on Yahoo News

Direct Selling Association of Singapore (DSAS) is stepping up on the check of and tightening rules on loopholes.

Read more at:
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/060927/5/singapore232742.html

chokolatte SG

"Direct selling is the sale of a consumer product or service, person-to-person, away from a fixed retail location. It is a popular alternative to traditional employment for those seeking to supplement their household income, or whose responsibilities or circumstances do not allow for regular part-time or full-time employment," said Mr Tan.

Pyramid selling on the other hand, requires participants to make a lump sum payment upfront to join the scheme, and the driving force to recoup the initial fee is the recruitment of more members, rather than the sale of goods and services. Many participants lost huge amounts of money under the scheme, and subsequently an Act was passed in 1973, declaring pyramid selling illegal in Singapore.

so which category does bel'air falls into?

chokolatte SG

my mum jus asked me if i know what is the wellness day in bel’air about cos her close fren ‘invited’ her to the wellness day. think is not AAA cos she say its not in boon keng. anyone can tell mw what this wellness day thing is all about?

k2wanviet SG

So what if DSAS calls for tighter self regulatons? They still have no jurisdiction over disguised pyramid MLMs who choose not to be a member. The rules on MLM Act governing the industry is clear but many running a disguised pyramid scheme have not been prosecuted. It means nothing if the black sheep are not wiped out. At least in some countries, lawsuits have been levied on MLM companies suspecting of running a pyramid scheme. In Singapore, none as far as I know.

At least, DSAS is acknowledging that there are problems in the industry. I doubt they could do much to gain the masses confidence and negative perception of the industry.

Has Bel'Air ever applied to be a member of DSAS? I do not know. I would seriously doubt DSAS's credibility if they have been admitted, now or the future, assuming they continue to promote Count or "1+5" recruitment.

fganti SG

After they cut 1+5, they suddenly become "WRONG MINDSET" as they cant bring anyone in. My poor friend was 1 of them, now in debt. Like the rest have to think of way to return the money.

WHAT IS "JIANG"?
IF YOU GOT THE MONEY TO CUT 1+5 or YOUR CONTACT HAVENT RUN DRY, YOU ARE "JIANG".

chokolatte SG

jus curious in here. those who left are deemed as having the wrong mindset. earlier on it was mentioned that RX8 was being classified as one with the wrong mindset. so, he is no longer is fgn?

joachim_peiper SG

This really depends on how you conduct the bel'air business. Certain Groups are telling people to join as count, which requires 12k investment up front. After that you have to recruit other people to invest 12k as well... they call it building a "distribution network", and their aim is to "reach out to the whole population".

That was my vision as well, which was why i joined them. However the reality is that they are not concerned whether more and more people are using the product in Singapore or not... they just want people to invest the money so that they themselves can get their big fat bonus...

Thus in my opinion, these guys are running a cleverly disguised pyramid scam... only this one is legal as there is actual product sales involved, since the 12k is not pure investment, but rather its used to buy the products ie you buy 12k worth of products at the company. Technically this is not a "traditional" pyramid scam, so the authorities can't do anything about this.

Be Very Careful of which Bel'air Group you go to.

So what exactly is bel'air? You guys decide for yourselves Twisted Evil

joachim_peiper SG

Originally posted by fganti:

Maybe it depend on the group that is doing Bel'Air

There are people selling the products, which i feel is useful *took some from my friend and use*.

Maybe it become PYRAMID SELLING for some of the big leader like [b]FALCON GLOBAL NETWORK lead by RONALD LIM AND DON LIM

When my friend invited me to attend all the events, the keep telling me that they are GENERAL looking for GENERAL or "JIANG", who are 100% committed, 100% trust in the group and leader and blah! blah! blah!

Since my friend left he has heard from those still remain that Ronald is telling them that those who left are "WORNG MINDSET" and "POISONOUS TUMOR", he already want to kick them out of his group to save those remain.

Here's the catch some of them was ask to cut 1+5 when both of them were challenging for Duke. At that time, Ronald ask them to cut 1+5 and was telling them that "I can see you really want to be succesful in this biz, in order to be fast 1+5 will help you................."

After they cut 1+5, they suddenly become "WRONG MINDSET" as they cant bring anyone in. My poor friend was 1 of them, now in debt. Like the rest have to think of way to return the money.

WHAT IS "JIANG"?
IF YOU GOT THE MONEY TO CUT 1+5 or YOUR CONTACT HAVENT RUN DRY, YOU ARE "JIANG".

WHAT IS 100% TRUST & BELIEVE?
JUST DO WHAT RONALD ASK YOU TO DO, NOT IF NO BUT!! EVEN IF HE ASK YOU TO DO STUPID THING LIKE BUYING SUPPER AND DRINK FOR HIM.
got leg got hand but dont noe how to use, really cannot make it.

For those who is reading this forum just make a decision for urself to believe who. The no use RONALD & DON *telling you that ppl who post here are failure" or listen to those who used to trust and believe them and end up in deep sh1t. Mad Mad [/b]

Yah you are totally right. That is the main reason why i left. I just can't stand them any more... they behave like kings, and the rest of the network are their slaves...

Forumers, not trying to feed fuel into the flames or what, but all the above info are true.

What i personally saw during my time there was:

If you can bring in sales volume, they will tolerate you even if you are not 100% cooperative... you skip their training sessions they will still consider you their general, bcos they need you mah...

BUT if you can't produce sales volume, so sorry man you are shit... you go down the pecking order to the substitutes bench, and you better behave yourself Twisted Evil

The worse thing i saw was that towards the deadline to hit their sales volume, they like to select the more "cooperative" or "potentially rich" type members and psycho them to do 1+5 investments... yeah they will tell these people that they are the "chosen ones".. the "generals"... the reality is that its VERY hard to recoup the investment because it is not easy to recruit new people... till date i don't think any 1+5 guys made back their money... the lucky ones manage to recruit 1-2 new people, and earned back some money...

the unlucky ones are still stuck with their 5 empty positions.. and a mountain of debts... thw worse thing of course is that they themselves know that its not easy to recruit new people in this "business", and yet they still dare to ask their guys to make the investments.

Absolutely horrible.... you have to see it to believe it gentlemen... I don't know how they can sleep at night and grow so fat!

So now you guys know the meaning behind my signature below Twisted Evil

knightlll SG

U sound interested?Why such great interest in going there? Surprised

knightlll SG

[quote]Originally posted by knightlll:
[b]

Can anyone say more abt Duke Chris n Jean since they were the only dukes tat were speaking to me.Heard also tat they bring in 80% of the business in AAA.
Juz wan to know more abt them cos they sounded so sincere at tat time.

laurence82 SG

Yeap, totally true

DSAS main aim to promote ethical selling, and they are not an authority on legality.

I also sometimes see DSAS as a powerful business lobby group, akin to those in the US. The Exclusion Act in 2000 came about thanks to some founding members of DSAS.

And I was allright with them till I see some dubious companies entering their list

Life2BfUn SG

Laughing Haha... Even if you dun list as "direct sellin...." or "pyramid sel..." I will choose the 2nd one which mean what B'A doing is actually same as pyramid selling as it need huge sum of $$ so called to invest in biz (sucks), and beside every year you need to pay member fee. And at AAA you required to pay again for the member fee too half a year or 1 year which is $700 if not you're not entitled to come for those course or senimar which conducts by Dukes. Even you've paid, as a full timer you need to help up for the duty roaster, sweep, valcum, wipe the floor; wipe the stage, mirror; everythings and even the main door......... Monkeys as above dun need to do, not sure wherethe as they're the ones who paid more than us so dun need to sweat or........... So it free labours!!! As the Ducks claimed cos we will feel as it our home so it our duty do keep our own house clean (lame excuses)!!!!

Life2BfUn SG

Nope, BA is not under it as the Duke claimed B'A dun need to do tat even can win 2004 Global .....Branding not like those companies under DSAS can't proved anything etc.... alot of lame excuses the dukes input here & there............ They all like to talk big!!!!!!!!! You think they dare to apply for that meh????? Twisted Evil

Life2BfUn SG

Haha.... they bring?????????!!!!!!!!!! I heard last time they said it was Duck Diron's group or so...... Woops.... now the fengsui had drifted to Duck Chris's side???? Real a not, I doubt so lor i mean currently all groups..... and of cos will claimed their own group is the best, boast lah!! Rolling Eyes

About Baldwin, when I was still in as I belong to other Duck group. I thought he was once a very great General whose they claimed on that time. He the one whose recruited alot of people in that why Chris's group exploded then he the one who "help" Ronald to gain his Duck lor. Picked the Ducks Lim Bro to morn class every morn like their chauffeur. Now both of them become Ducks, he no longer an use to them then said his mindset is wrong or recently he didn't bring in anymore or alot of people then said he is wrong. I think all the leaders behave in the same way, those "M" if they see you didn't bring in any people further although you're still active or positive they will abandon you "slowly" in their list cos lately there not results from you, they consider you "slowly" a "failure" or your mindset is wrong if you won't bring in people anymore. Your presence to them is nothing.

Life2BfUn SG

Originally posted by fganti:

Maybe it depend on the group that is doing Bel'Air Confused Ya, perhaps cos over here all are talking about AAA groups, no one mentioned about the other 2 groups in Singapore, L88 & Santal.There are people selling the products, which i feel is useful *took some from my friend and use*.
Maybe it become PYRAMID SELLING for some of the big leader like FALCON GLOBAL NETWORK lead by RONALD LIM AND DON LIM Not only this 2 bro, mostly all AAA are doing that, ONLY AAA In Singapore Had This 1+5 Plan, other 2 groups in Singapore are not entitled to it!!!!........................................ Since my friend left he has heard from those still remain that Ronald is telling them that those who left are "color=red]WRONG MINDSET[/color][/b]" and "POISONOUS TUMOR", he already want to kick them out of his group to save those remain. Laughing We had awaken ourseleves then we left for our own good but I heard before someone been force to kick out from the group because of the mindset, nagative thinking etc... Althought they claimed if your own biz, you can come and go as you like...... etc...what...all those they claimed are bullshit!!! As once you stop coming in, they won't bother about you, even if you come back one day, all will look as you as an alien... blah..... You'll be under go their probation period.....

Here's the catch some of them was ask to cut 1+5 when both of them were challenging for Duke. At that time, Ronald ask them to cut 1+5 and was telling them that "I can see you really want to be succesful in this biz, in order to be fast 1+5 will help you................."..........
WHAT IS "JIANG"?
IF YOU GOT THE MONEY TO CUT 1+5 or YOUR CONTACT HAVENT RUN DRY, YOU ARE "JIANG".
WHAT IS 100% TRUST & BELIEVE?
JUST DO WHAT RONALD ASK YOU TO DO, NOT IF NO BUT!! EVEN IF HE ASK YOU TO DO STUPID THING LIKE BUYING SUPPER AND DRINK FOR HIM.
got leg got hand but dont noe how to use, really cannot make it. Mad That is all their tacties of so called helping which benefitted themselves the most. No wonder they've put on weight, but main thing did they pay them back $$$$$ cos some monkeys or ducks will act blur even $2 or... some, they won't return you $$$!!!!! They'll ask you how much then said they've not change or pay you back later then.... the later will be forever...ever... !
For those who is reading this forum just make a decision for urself to believe who. The no use RONALD & DON *telling you that ppl who post here are failure" or listen to those who used to trust and believe them and end up in deep sh1t. Mad Mad [/b]

If all these unsenseless, lame excuses, inhuman..... things in their groups, these people considered us as failure then I rather let them be. As all of them been brainwashed, hard to change their brains/minds. I would rather let them think so than rather in deep shIt of debt and be remorseful in my latter life/karma !!!!!!!!!!

laurence82 SG

i wonder what will happen if i yell 'go go bel air!' in here

hmm

JZ21 SG

i more garang.. lets c wat happens.. Laughing

go go bel air!

Mr. Green

fganti SG

you are the man

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