where christianity comes from

january SG

I read that christianity is derived from philosophers from a passage in the website below:

Stoicism was one of the most important and influential traditions in the philosophy of the Hellenistic world. It claimed the adherence of a large portion of the educated persons in the Graeco-Roman world. It had considerable influence on the development of early Christianity. The Roman Stoics, Epictetus, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius were widely read and absorbed by the Western cultural tradition. Indeed, the very word 'stoic' has, in the popular sense, become synonymous with 'philosophical' and has come to represent that courage and calmness in the face of adverse and trying circumstances which was the hallmark of the ancient Stoics.

Anyone has opinions about what give rise to christianity?

january SG

more interesting things about stoicism beliefs.. i was reading about stoicism fyi

In logic, the Stoics developed the logic of propositions more recently formalized by Frege and Bertrand Russell. Chrysippus was recognized by his contemporaries as the equal of Aristotle in logic. Stoic epistemology was decidedly empiricist and nominalist in spirit. They rejected both Plato's and Aristotle's notions of form. There are no abstract universals, either apart from particulars, as Plato would have it, or in particular substances, as Aristotle held. Only particular things exist and our knowledge of them is based on the impressions they make upon the soul. Our knowledge of particular objects is therefore based on sense perception, as is our knowledge of our mental states and activities, our soul itself being a material thing

january SG

this paragraph talks about how philosophical stuff were borrowed and modified into christian stuff.

Metaphysically, the Stoics were materialists. While all that exists is material, nevertheless there are two principles of reality. The passive principle is matter devoid of quality. Borrowing from Heraclitus, the Stoics identified the active principle of reality with the Logos, Reason, or God. Unlike later Christian versions, the Stoic view of the Logos is both materialistic and pantheistic. God has no existence distinct from the rational order of nature and should not be construed as a personal, transcendent deity of the sort essential to later Western theism.

anywhere here is the source
http://www2.evansville.edu/ecoleweb/articles/stoicism.html

january SG

The below quote is fascinating indeed... and i shall declare it as quote of the day

The life of virtue is the life in accordance with nature. Since for the Stoic nature is rational and perfect, the ethical life is a life lived in accordance with the rational order of things. "Do not seek to have events happen as you want them to, but instead want them to happen as they do happen, and your life will go well"

Anyway.. i have a forum on philosophy which has pretty no activity. Philosophy to me is an ultra cool and fun stuff, with boring stuff throw in as well Laughing

Demonight SG

aaah..Philosophy..got a distinction for my paper and then my brain died..when it does recover I’d be delighted to hear your thoughts and viewpoints

january SG

Well, my view points my similar to the general views of rational philosophers... with a few tweaks to it to suit my circumstances....

Nothing brilliant... I am dissapointed to know that I am just a human being actually and that i am soooo small and not so powerful in this universe.

To modify a quote i read from someone: I am just a guest being invited to a party called Life; after the party is over, I shall take my leave forever and forever

what a melancholy (pardon the spelling) quote

Demonight SG

Philosophers are nothing but irrational but among all their meanderings, that become pure nonsense after a while, you can find little philosophical gems of knowledge

january SG

Well its quite chim i agree...

but even science is actually called natural philosophy which is a branch of philosophy... so philosophy has both chim and not chim stuff.

Demonight SG

Don't think you'd want to go up to a scientist and tell him/her that he's/she's actually a philosopher

january SG

more sentences i found in the web

Stoicism is a pre-Christian philosophy. The ancient Stoics had no concept of grace or redemption

january SG

The familiar Serenity Prayer is thoroughly Stoic: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Chionk arr SG

Originally posted by january:

Well, my view points my similar to the general views of rational philosophers... with a few tweaks to it to suit my circumstances....

Nothing brilliant... I am dissapointed to know that I am just a human being actually and that i am soooo small and not so powerful in this universe.

To modify a quote i read from someone: [b]I am just a guest being invited to a party called Life; after the party is over, I shall take my leave forever and forever

what a melancholy (pardon the spelling) quote[/b]

i'm a christian but i agreed on the quote that u pointed out there,
i'm not a hardcore religious person so i do accept different views & weight them rationally..
extremist religious pp are those that most often create a problem even to some extent a Chaos like those in Pakistan fight over moderate muslims & extremist side; how are they better than non religious pp that live in peace Evil or Very Mad

wilsonhao SG

Christianity is a mudane religion where everything is linked up to worldly affairs. Materialistic is part of it, the ego is still there and so on. Its perfectly a wordly religion for human beings only.

Herzog_Zwei SG

I too realised many religions are just mundane matters.