another attempt to explain that there is no god

january SG

i would like to ask what is the god’s opinion of people spending their money on restaurant, pleasure goods and luxury goods. Should we instead use these money to send to the sick and poor. What is the god’s opinion towards these issues?

SturmDerSchatten SG

Why don't you pray to Him and ask? Laughing

But in all seriousness, there's no way anyone can truly answer those questions. Modern society is what us humans have made, any divine influence is probably not seen very well (but that doesn't prove it's not there.).

Likewise, I could encourage you to get off the com and get your butt to Africa to save the kids from malaria. I could tell you to go donate your money to those buskers on the streets. Why are you still doing what you call "wasting" your money on the electricity needed to run your household, your computer, your fans, your TV?

darkhour SG

so u actuali came to make a topic on this Laughing

january SG

you people pray everytime dun you? i dun pray because i dun believe in praying and god.

i know that believers try to communicate with god and feel him right? so i would like to know what does god teaching tell us with regards to whether believers should spend extra earnings on saving sick or are you all allowed to spend on pleasure goods because of certain reasons.

Or do u mean that god has not given any instructions with regards to this matter, so its up to individual choice, and this issue has nothing to do with god's teaching, issit?

for me, i would say i am selfish, hence i prefer to spend on pleasure goods.

january SG

if not lets just put god aside and just answer it from your own opinion.

Do you spend extra earnings on yourself or you try to send it to places where it can save lives? If you spend it on yourself, what is your reason? If you dun spend on pleasure goods and try to give it away to save lives, what is your reasons?

For me, i lazy and selfish in general, so i am those close one eye and just buy my ice cream to enjoy it. What about you people?

The second question is then, what would god expect us to do?

Issit something that has nothing to do with god?

january SG

The point i am trying to bring across is this.

If religious people spend their extra earnings on themselves like crystal jade restaurant, nike shoe and mercedes car instead of saving these money for use of saving dying, is it considered a selfish actions or not?

If it is not a selfish act, then what is a selfish act to religious people?

Does being selfish or not affect whether one can heaven.

I know that believers can go to heaven right? When is the minimum amount of time you must be a believer before you can go to heaven? If a person is a non believer for 50 years and convert to a believer for one day and die after that, does he qualify to go heaven.

What if he become a believer for one hour only and then die?

As a science person and skeptic, my nature is to ask questions.

january SG

If a non-believer does charity work throughout his life because he wants to help the poor and a thug who is a loanshark and everyday hang pig head and pour pain on people's house, who will go to heaven. Lets say that the loanshark truly repent and is remorse for his actions on his last day of life and become a christian believer while the charity worker continue his stance on his last day of life.

Secondly, for the priest who steal the money of the church in singapore, will he be be allowed to go to heaven if he express remorse? i guess he can still go heaven right because christians can confess their sins and seek forgiveness.

on the other hand, a law abiding citizens who is a non believer will have to go to hell by definition issit?

SturmDerSchatten SG

you people pray everytime dun you? i dun pray because i dun believe in praying and god.

We pray because we confine in Him. We pray because of our worries, our fears. It's like having someone you can confide in all the time.

i know that believers try to communicate with god and feel him right? so i would like to know what does god teaching tell us with regards to whether believers should spend extra earnings on saving sick or are you all allowed to spend on pleasure goods because of certain reasons.

Or do u mean that god has not given any instructions with regards to this matter, so its up to individual choice, and this issue has nothing to do with god's teaching, issit?

for me, i would say i am selfish, hence i prefer to spend on pleasure goods.

You know what? If you are the hardworking intellectual you would like yourself to be, you'd go google the answer.
The Bible teaches us to love our neighbour as we would ourselves. Treat the people around you as you would like to be treated. It's up to the person to do what he decides is charitable. Does everything have to be told by God, then we do it? He teaches us, and we have to learn and apply. Same with any teacher.

If you spend on what you term "pleasure goods", then that's not my problem. But think how much difference you would make to a beggar for a day, if you gave him enough money for his next meal.

Do you spend extra earnings on yourself or you try to send it to places where it can save lives? If you spend it on yourself, what is your reason? If you dun spend on pleasure goods and try to give it away to save lives, what is your reasons?

If I have the ability, why not? If I can help someone, why not? Help is not always measured in monetary terms, and you'd be a fool to think so.
What are my reasons for helping? Because I believe it is God's will that we are here to help others.

If religious people spend their extra earnings on themselves like crystal jade restaurant, nike shoe and mercedes car instead of saving these money for use of saving dying, is it considered a selfish actions or not?

If it is not a selfish act, then what is a selfish act to religious people?

Does being selfish or not affect whether one can heaven.

How would you define "selfish"? When a person decides to keep all for himself and not share? When a person has the ability to share but does not want to?

I know that believers can go to heaven right? When is the minimum amount of time you must be a believer before you can go to heaven? If a person is a non believer for 50 years and convert to a believer for one day and die after that, does he qualify to go heaven.

What if he become a believer for one hour only and then die?

Ultimately, humans do not determine if they go to Heaven. God does. I cannot answer that question, because I am not God. We just try to live according to the laws and guidelines set down by the Bible.

As a science person and skeptic, my nature is to ask questions.

Asking questions that cannot be properly answered by both sides is as good as not asking at all.

mancha SG

God will say “Take care of yourself, conduct yourself in a manner that pleases me, do not be too concerned for the poor, for the poor will always be around.”

january SG

So according to what you say, we do not need to be too concerned for the poor, and all the charities campaign throughout the world and in singapore are not necessarily because we do not need to be too concerned for the poor.

Do christian have charities? i am sure they do have some charities for the poor. Why are they concerned with the poor?

So you mean the singapore government do not need to be too concerned for the poor issit? They just need to conduct in a manner that pleases god?

january SG

why the bible and not other religious books?

How do you know that what the bible say is true?

Cool-gal SG

another attempt to explain that there is no god

Attempt failed.
Next.

SturmDerSchatten SG

No, what he is saying is, poverty is a problem we can never fully eradicate, because it results from humans abusing resources. We should care for the poor, but we should not let destroying poverty become our life.

Of course Christians have charities. Why do you think there are so many churches and congregations extending their reach into the impoverished and war-torn countries of the world? We are concerned with the poor like anyone would be when he sees someone suffering. But the thing is, we cannot eradicate it, like mentioned, but we can make a difference to that someone we find.

...are you baiting again?

SturmDerSchatten SG

Hehe... Laughing But I've a feeling that's what they want Christians to say.

mancha SG

Yes.

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Question

If you feel guilty you are not doing enough, that is your problem.
Individually, you are only required not to harras the poor. You are only required to give them some assistance, if you can. If a beggar ask for water, give some water, not poison. But if the whole village want to give a bucket of water each to the poor beggar, and he is overwhelmed. Whats that to you, you're only required do your minimal part.
What God wants to see in you is your sense of compassion. Do you have sincerly have it? Giving to the poor to show, God and your neighbours that you are a good soul, is self defeating. Give out of the goodness of your heart, and it need not be much.

Do not be too concern for the poor, for they will always be around.
But if you want to do more, its none of my concern, of for that matter anybody's else. Very Happy

january SG

so you donate a little bit of money, then spend the bulk of the money on yourself like cable television, cafe cartel and takopochi while you could have further save the lives of dying people, that is fine with god issit?

mancha SG

Very Happy
If fact you do not have to give even a little at all.
You don't have to save the lives of people who are dying.
God understands that it is not your responsibility.
(unless it is your occupation to save lives)
But if you give a little out of the goodness of your heart, He will be happy with you.
So go ahead and dig into that US$500 Kobe steak. Laughing
Its alright with God.
Honest.

SturmDerSchatten SG

I still don’t see how this can constitute as an attempt to deny the existence of God.

january SG

so you are saying that GOD is okay with u if you do not give money to dying? Because you did not donate, the dying died as a result and that is nothing wrong in that. Is that what you say?

Would i be right to say that therefore it is nothing wrong with being selfish according to what you say?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

"There are two ways of dealing with nonsense in this world. One way is to put nonsense in the right place; as when people put nonsense into nursery rhymes. The other is to put nonsense in the wrong place; as when they put it into educational addresses, psychological criticisms, and complaints against nursery rhymes or other normal amusements of mankind.

The pessimist is commonly spoken of as the man in revolt. He is not. Firstly, because it requires some cheerfulness to continue in revolt, and secondly, because pessimism appeals to the weaker side of everybody, and the pessimist, therefore, drives as roaring a trade as the publican. The person who is really in revolt is the optimist, who generally lives and dies in a desperate and suicidal effort to persuade all the other people how good they are. It has been proved a hundred times over that if you really wish to enrage people and make them angry, even unto death, the right way to do it is to tell them that they are all the sons of God. "