The Fall of Shu Kingdom

798 SG

do u think wat is the main cause of their downfall?

they have the most charima ruler, liu bei, 5 tiger generals n advisor like kong ming n pang tong. why is it dat they fail n always the underdogs comparing to other two kingdoms?

Father Lim SG

cos zhao yun go and save liu chan....
that was when everything started falling apart Mr. Green

seotiblizzard SG

cos they no money. i think.

FBI SG

ah dou aka liu bei's son!

if kong ming take over the seat like wat liu bei told him that if his son cannot make it he can take over, but he is too loyal!

jiang wei fight till the end and inheirt zhu ge liang tactic but all because of ah dou's useless!

798 SG

somehow agree wif u. Laughing

but maybe liu bei threw the baby n he become retarded.

"Fu Bu Qi De A Dou" Sad

I-like-flings(m) SG

based on all the cartoon and movie i watched b4... i think it's due to Liu Bei ...management problem Laughing if u give all those general to Cao Cao... wah.. the world is his already Wink

798 SG

if i'm not wrong, ma chao n wang zhong died in a fierce battle rite?
dat was one of the liu bei's impulsive decision for trying to take revenge for his two brothers.

HyuugaNeji SG

oic paiseh.

798 SG

liu bei is the type cry cry, then pple take pity of him den they follow him.

guess even he may not have guang yu's wisdom or strength, he has integrities n honour not to invade his relative kingdom.

Father Lim SG

their kingdom is called Shu-Han...
cos that time emperor already overthrown by Cao Cao...
hence, Shu for the territory they are in and Han for the continuation...

yourfavouritefriend SG

I think the fallen of Shu have to be directed at Jiang Wei. He is the obvious choice to suceed Kong ming yet he lack the traits of cunning (Sima Yi), Boldness (Guan Yu), charisma (Zhou Yu) and heartless (Dong Zhuo). or else i think the history of china will change

FBI SG

first time he met guan yu and zhang fei he start crying already.. talking abt reform the government and stuff..

he's good with his words i can say

798 SG

i think at dat time, the ruler was a-dou n he was a corrupt n useless ruler who only know how to flirt n neglect his kingdom.

dat's why Jiang Wei cannot carried his role smoothly.

FBI SG

exactly.. got one time he almost win the war but have to withdrawn due to ah dou's stupid decision..

in the end? he collaborate with someone i forgot who and got chacne to win.. but forgot wat happened and stab himself to death when surrounded.

and ah dou? he surrendered..

yourfavouritefriend SG

there are many examples througout history that the follower becomes leader. Jiang Wei knows that Ah-dou is a useless ruler yet he submitted to him. That’s the distinguish difference between him and Cao Cao

felirox SG

Actually ah dou had a stupid eunuch… when Deng Ai was close to the shu kingdom,Jiang wei told ah dou to give him a troop of an army to defend the capital but ah dou listened to the eunuch advise for him to seek the fortune teller’s help and ignore jiang wei’s orders. So I think a dou is just misled by a farker eunuch.

chanjk SG

Maybe Jiang Wei should overthrow Ah-Dou/Liu Chan...but that will be very bad name for him as he will not be a loyal person le... and if he succeed in overthrowing, then the kingdom cannot be named Shu-Han anymore cause his surname is not Liu.... Rolling Eyes