I believe girls should not be educated

skythewood SG

stupid girl, there is nothing wrong with the sentence. it is grammatically and syllogistically sound, with syntax beyond your ken.

don't understand right ? ok dont bother =)

speaking of ken...

Shoryuken!

Detached SG

1. what gives you the authority to claim that education is a birthright? And even more so, at the expense of the perpetuation of human civilisation ? Do you not realise that this 'birthright' is a retardation of nature that has led to falling birthrates in all the places that have it implemented?

2. you took two different answers of mine, to stake your claim on policies. i said that policies are not an issue, because my stand is that education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened. Nothing to do with 'what should be done now'.

3."You complained that by 'putting incredible (and unfair) workloads on women, leads to the undeniable plummeting birth rate", so shouldn't this government implements policies to help increase the birth rate?" - that is your assumption, not mine. I didnt say the government should do something. All im saying is that the incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place.

4."to take women out of school and ban them from society" - when did i ever say that ? I'm saying education for females undermines natural process. I never suggested any of your radical, psychotic measures.I am arguing on a purely theoretical basis. And you are putting words in my mouth and using the Hitler card as a logical fallacy.

5.I dont know why you are comparing me to Hitler, but Hitler didnt take Jews out of school, he took them out of the world. Alittle different there eh ? And im not even saying that girls should be taken out of school. So stop assuming

Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.

Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.

I understand your stand now, really. You claimed that ‘education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened’, ‘incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place’ and ‘nothing to do with what should be done now’ inferred that you aren’t interested in a solution.

I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.

This is a new era and a modern world, today’s society and economy had long past those days of man going on a hunting trip. If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine.

Danielhuang88 SG

Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.

Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.

I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.

I don't recall anyone here not being able to accept educated women, just checked the news, nope none of us jumped out of the window after finding out that almost 99% of the women we've met are educated.

Detached, I understand that this subject must be very touchy, perhaps you yourself are a lady. However this forum is for purely debate, theres no need for these frenzied attacks on the proposition. Hyperion may not be as charismatic as Hitler, however he is sharp and articulate and has made fairly valid points. I do not see you making any, please back up your arguments in future.

No one of us is denying the RIGHT of women to be educated, nor are we planning to lock them up at home. We simply think that they should STICK to their GENDER RELATED ROLES. There is nothing GENOCIDAL (hitler) or CHAUVINISTIC about that. Since god or whatever entity decided since the dawn of time that women should do that (look at the traits we have already posted in the previous pages).

I reinforce the point that homemaking is a very very NOBLE job. There is nothing chauvinistic about thinking women should perhaps stay at home to look after the children. Who else would? Your maid? And in a few months time your child would be calling you "mam".

HyperionDCZ SG

Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.

Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.

I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.

I initially found your earlier response very aggressive, but your apology more than makes up for it. I'm sorry if you found my own response too harsh.

But in the spirit of debate i'd like to reply to your latest post.

“We have made education compulsory and every child has the right to education, health and security” -Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs, at the CHERISH Conference - you must realise that no one person can define a birthright. It is a complicated concept, but from my point of argument, the concern is the natural process of human civilization, which is undermined by the fact that education is interpreted as a birthright.

"I understand your stand now, really." - I am very glad to be debating with someone who is welcome to alternative viewpoints, and I respect your arguments as much.

"I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect." - That is out of point. I never said you were comparing me with Hitler in terms of character and attributes. But you did compare me to Hitler in terms of viewpoints and opinion.

"If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine." - I can accept that, and im perfectly comfortable with it. What i'm saying is that in the long run it will hurt society and thus should not have happened. Im not hoping for it to stop, nor am i planning to stop it.

Detached SG

-reserved-

Will come back to this, currently busy

Danielhuang88 SG

-reserved-

Will come back to this, currently busy

Too late i already saw what you wrote.

In what ways have I been found wanting? =x

On a friendlier note, I enjoy debate, and no, I sometimes argue points I personally do not believe in, so please please don't hate me after this.

HyperionDCZ SG

Too late i already saw what you wrote.

In what ways have I been found wanting? =x

On a friendlier note, I enjoy debate, and no, I sometimes argue points I personally do not believe in, so please please don't hate me after this.

let's allow Detached the chance to phrase his rebuttal carefully and to his liking, then we'll continue on meaningful debate =)

And i'd agree fully with your second point. I too enjoy debate, even when i take stands that I have no personal allegience to.

Kuali Baba SG

It wouldn't be so much of a problem if men shared the burden of taking care of the children and the home more equally (granted that they can't breastfeed, but they can do a million other things, and their presence at home is also very important), but the current provisions for that have not progressed much since the days when women were a rarity in the workforce.

HyperionDCZ SG

you make a good point kuali, but wouldnt that entail a larger burden on both parties, having to manage so many different issues ?

That is why I feel that traditional gender roles should be adhered to. After all, thousands of years of tradition can't be all wrong can it ?

Kuali Baba SG

you make a good point kuali, but wouldnt that entail a larger burden on both parties, having to manage so many different issues ?

That is why I feel that traditional gender roles should be adhered to. After all, thousands of years of tradition can't be all wrong can it ?

Only one partner will have to cope with more responsibilities. Otherwise, to paraphrase a fellow forumer, if you can't handle it, don't raise a family in the first place. It is not a duty to have a family anymore.

Societies have not always been patriarchal, and if you really reflect on it, the shift was actually set in motion when the workplace became increasingly separated from the home.

parn SG

Too late i already saw what you wrote.

In what ways have I been found wanting? =x

On a friendlier note, I enjoy debate, and no, I sometimes argue points I personally do not believe in, so please please don't hate me after this.

If you argued points that you don't personally believed in, then maybe that explains why your arguments are equally weak as Hyperion.

Do you also likes to insult people who disagrees with you?

Beautiful951 SG

If you argued points that you don't personally believed in, then maybe that explains why your arguments are equally weak as Hyperion.

Do you also likes to insult people who disagrees with you?

Don't generalise

parn SG

you make a good point kuali, but wouldnt that entail a larger burden on both parties, having to manage so many different issues ?

That is why I feel that traditional gender roles should be adhered to. After all, thousands of years of tradition can't be all wrong can it ?

Thousands of years of tradition is good, and it's going to be changed for the better.

HyperionDCZ SG

If you argued points that you don't personally believed in, then maybe that explains why your arguments are equally weak as Hyperion.

Do you also likes to insult people who disagrees with you?

parn, the difference is ...

we argue points that we might not believe in

you cant argue at all.

parn SG

Don't generalise

Don't interrupt

Danielhuang88 SG

If you argued points that you don't personally believed in, then maybe that explains why your arguments are equally weak as Hyperion.

Do you also likes to insult people who disagrees with you?

I'll have to agree with Hyperion. However I don't agree that i've insulted anyone, perhaps teased or jested their abilities to do certain tasks.

Also, I don't believe our arguments are weak, unless you can't argue at all because you have failed to expose a single hole in our cases.

Resentment SG

Don't interrupt

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parn SG

parn, the difference is ...

we argue points that we might not believe in

you cant argue at all.

I can express my opinions better than you cos unlike you, I don't argue for the sake of doing so.

People like you who argue for no reason are just retarded. And it shows in their arguments, they have a tendancy to insult people when they realised they have nothing to argue about anymore.

parn SG

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Please have a nice accident during your NS.

parn SG

Not my problem if you chose not to realise it yourself.

Like I've mentioned, people who argued for the sake of doing it are simply retards.

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