Don't give up Chinese language, says Lee Kuan Yew

Dalforce 25 SG

that is because the shadow of asian inferiority is still with us...and we have been taught so to survive than to live and think as asians....

It is there and the old banana's endless propaganda on using english and anglicisation of Singapore society makes it worse.

I said already, banana come and rule over chinese, there will be problems.

The May 13 Generation: The Chinese Middle Schools Movement and Singapore Politics in the 1950s
Tan Jing Quee, Tan Kok Chiang, and Hong Lysa (eds.)
Petaling Jaya, Malaysia: Strategic Information and Research Development Centre, 2011
ISBN: 9789675832161

The May 13 generation was the first belonging to the immigrant communities from China to grapple with the issues of being Malayan/Singaporean, breaking irrevocably with the received wisdoms of their elders, and in a political climate where their explorations were deemed to be subversive.

This book comprises the recollections penned by the participants of the era of the 1950s, where their generation was in the forefront of the anti-colonial movement, and the work of academic researchers who have examined the historical framework and context of the period, as well as how it has been made to fit into the country's mainstream history.

The researchers have also examined the students' cultural expressions, whether it is in art, drama, dance or literature and found them to be socially engaged, and grappling with the question of who they were as a people. The cultural explorations of that period have been forgotten or repudiated. It is revealing just how this amnesia and silence has become so set.

It is also impossible to imagine the demands that the age had put on this generation of youths.

http://datedue.blogspot.com/2011/05/may-13-generation-chinese-middle.html

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Book+Launch+of+The+May+13+Generation&aq=f

When asked to lay down their lives to fight the invaders, it was surprising that 3,000 volunteers, mostly Chinese, had paid no heed to their own interest when making a conscious decision to join the Dalforce in trying to repel the Japs.

Surprising because since most were migrants, nobody thought that they would find Nationalism in their souls. The pride that this is their new homeland.

The determination not to cede any inch of the soil to the invaders. Their bravery was commendable and even the Japs acknowledged that.

But alas it was too little too late. Nobody could believe that the British could lose to an outnumbered invading force! It was the biggest capitulation in the history of the Brits. Their worst defeat!

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=21fff64e-528d-4e34-9d89-b7050e92c276

Fcukpap SG

in this aspect, we need to nurture and grow more asian leaders to globalize asian values with the advancement of asian innovation...Japan has made the headway for the last few decades...its China and India now....

Dalforce 25 SG

Should start locally first with de-anglicisation and de-westernisation and revival of dialects and to teach the real history of Singapore and not Lee Kuan Yew's poppycock.

M the name SG

It you really want to remove English, then other races in Singapore like Malays and Indian would also said that Malay and Tamil should be their nation language.Let see if you got 9 lives if you try to implement your dialect to them and see what happen.The only worst case scenario are they riot and loot your house for discriminate just like the recent UK riot due to people use their "ball" to do thing .(If the malay and indian from SAF also joined them as a result of your dialect implement, good luck to you as well) That why I say Naruto must be ban because there are too many retard people in this country and garbage like this only deteriorate and make Singaporean a shit.

And you want to talk about Singapore history ??? Do you know that Singapore in past was rule by an Malay chief from Patani who was appointed by Siam (modern day Thailand) until he was killed by Parameswara who rule Singapore for a short perod of time before escape again from Siam force and later he become the founder of Malacca, later the Sultanate of Johor took over and rule Singapore until Raffles arrived and the British take charge. In short according to history fact, Singapore should be either Indonesia,Thailand or Malaysia terrority, chinese are not even BORN here until the British came. Please do your homework before present your nonsense view here.

Finally the only complain of the government are that meritocracy are slowing "disappearing", e.g mediocre like Tin Pei Ling are appointed in the government, Minister pass remark that they must higher-salaries so that they didn't "lose face" when meeting with business leader etc etc.

alize SG

for who? for your dream of business with china?

Dalforce 25 SG

Please do your homework before present your nonsense view here.

If alien english can be dominant here, I see no reason why mandarin cannot be dominant in a 75% chinese populated island.

No reason whatsoever.

Dalforce 25 SG

The only worst case scenario are they riot and loot your house for discriminate just like the recent UK riot due to people use their "ball" to do thing .

I doubt so, that is Lee Kuan Yew's propaganda.

The race card must come to an end. We cannot follow Lee Kuan Yew's old tactics.

History of Riots in Singapore - Lee Kuan Yew's racist version has to be stopped

Introduction -

Much has been talked about the riots in Singapore’s history. In schools, we learned that these riots were race based. In particular, the Malay race was portrayed as the antagonist. I have always felt that the there was a tinge of racism, perhaps even “Malay-phobia” that is embedded as subtle message in those “historical facts” taught in schools.

As time went by, I realised that there were as many “Chinese instigated” riots, if not more, as “Malay instigated” ones. So it really isn’t an understatement that citizens have gone through brainwashing.

Why must we always perpetually be reminded of the “race riots” (read as “instigated by the Malays around us” - according to LKY and his PAPpy followers), so that we will always fear our Malay neighbours surrounding us?

Or is this just a figment of imagination in LKY's racist mind, so he could keep playing the race card on us till today?

List of Riots in Singapore -

Let's take a look at the riots that occurred in Singapore. Here they are, in chronological order.

1. 1950 - Maria Hertogh Riots
2. 1954 - National Service Riots
3. 1955 - Hock Lee Bus Riots
4. 1956 - Chinese Middle School Riots
5. 1964 - 1964 Race Riots
6. 1969 - 1969 Race Riots

I am not putting up links because there are different versions of what happened, how they happened and why they happened. As such, I do not wish to show favour for one particular version over another. I would instead put up the central dispute of the issue and the parties involved in the rioting.

1. Maria Hertogh Riots -
Dispute - The court in Singapore ruled that Maria Hertogh be returned to her Catholic biological parents, after she was raised a Muslim girl.
Parties who rioted - Muslims (mainly Malays and some Indians) against the government and the Catholic/Christian/European community.

2. 1954 - National Service Riots
Dispute - Brit govt makes it compulsory to serve NS for those aged 18 to 20. Young Singaporeans were not willing to serve a foreign govt.
Parties who rioted - Chinese school students against the British govt.

3. 1955 - Hock Lee Bus Riots
Dispute - This was a labour riot. Workers rioted against poor working conditions set by bus companies. It is also recorded by many that the Hock Lee Bus riot was politically motivated against the pro-Brit government.
Parties who rioted - Bus workers, joined by Chinese school students against bus companies.

4. 1956 - Chinese Middle School Riots -
This is actually not just one riot, but a series of riots.
Dispute - Lim Yew Hock, Chief Minister, de-registered and banned two pro-communist organisations.
Parties who rioted - Chinese students against the pro-Brit govt of Singapore. The students gathered and assembled at Chung Cheng High School and Chinese High School.

5. 1964 - 1964 Race Riots
Dispute - A breakaway group from the main (Muslim) procession was told by the police to rejoin the main party. The group attacked a policeman which sparked a free for all riot.
Parties who rioted - Malays and Chinese against each other.

6. 1969 - 1969 Race Riots
Dispute - This riot was not even started in Singapore. It was started in Malaysia and the issue was their General Elections. The tense situation had a spillover effect on Singapore.
Parties who rioted - Malays and Chinese against each other.

Let's look at the figures -

So are the riots always about race and always about how the "Malays are out to get the Chinese", as what LKY and PAPpy always try to make us believe?

Here is a tabulation based on race.
Eurasians involved - one case only (Maria Hertogh)
Malays involved - three cases (Maria Hertogh, 1964, 1969)
Chinese involved - five cases (NS riots, Chinese Mid Sch, Hock Lee, 1964, 1969).

Here is a tabulation based on issues.
On governance - four (Maria Hertogh, NS riots, Hock Lee, Chinese Mid Sch)
On labour issues - one (Hock Lee)
On race - two (1964, 1969)

Race riots totalled only 2 out of the 6 major riots, and the Malays were involved in a total of 3 out of 6 of the major riots.

The Chinese were involved in both the race riots, and were also involved in a total of 5 out of 6 major riots Singapore has ever had in our history.

On top of that, the Malays were involved in rioting against the government only once (Maria Hertogh), while the Chinese rioted against the government on three occasions (NS Riots, Hock Lee, Chinese Mid Sch).

Yet, LKY and the PAPpies keep telling us that the riots are all about race riots, implicating the Malays are to be blamed?

Other relevant points -

It was told to us by the PAPpies that the 1964 riots was a race riot instigated by parties from the North. The Northerners have their own version. They claim it was instigated internally to pressure Tunku to repeal the Bumi Policy.

In a documentary aired by Discovery Channel a few years ago, we have another view to this incident. Singapore was then part of Malaysia. Malaysia was seen as a threat to Indonesia and Philippines due to their "expansionist plan" when they merged Sabah, Sawarak and Singapore into their Federation.

Because of the merger, Indonesia and Malaysia were at loggerheads. Singapore, being part of Malaysia, was also targetted by Indonesia.

This was the Confrontation Period. The dispute was between one Malay country (Indonesia) against another Malay country (Malaysia).

However, due to the racist mindset of LKY, he rewrote history and this period of tension of what should be seen as a dispute between two Malay countries, evolved to something that was not even an issue to start with - ie "a sea of Malays around us, against us".

As such, it even seems doubtful that the 1964 race riots was strictly a race riot where we had Malays and Chinese fighting each other. It could have been:

1. An internally instigated riot (by a govt agent), to pressure Tunku to repeal the Bumi Policy.
2. A riot instigated by agents from the South, to teach the North a lesson, for what it claims the North had an "expansionist plan".

That about leaves only one riot in Singapore that is truly based on race - The 1969 Race Riots. And that too, the only confirmed race-based riot did not originate from Singapore!

Conclusion -

LKY has long been a racist and has always played the race card. He knows of no other way.

It is sad that he keeps harping that "the Malays in the north and south are out to get us", when what we should really look at is the peace and harmony we have worked for ourselves.

The consistent play of race, in particular the "race riots" which tends to have the implication on Malays, have always been part of the school history's syllabus.

But as you can see for yourselves, there are more "Chinese" riots than "Malay" ones. It looks like the Malays are taking all the flak, when the Chinese are the more "guilty" ones.

Putting it crudely and candidly, when LKY farts, you Malays have to smell it. Sorry for that crude joke, but that is really what this Race Riot Issue conjured by Old Man is all about, isn't it? It stinks, doesn't it?

In view of his latest statement on the Malays/Muslims that they have to be "less strict" in their religion, I feel that LKY is only trying to revive the "good old days", where he was PM and used the race card to rule.

Singaporeans should stop believing his lies before he dies.

http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.com/2011/01/history-of-riots-in-singapore-lkys.html

Dalforce 25 SG

His views, he says, were misrepresented in order frighten people from voting for him.

Non-English speaking Singaporeans, including Chinese, Malays and Indians have, he says, been discriminated against unnecessarily under the PAP policies, particularly, for example the Chinese-educated, the Buddhists, the Taoists, the Hindus and the Muslims.

The discrimination, he says, takes various forms: Nanyang University was restructured; there is no Chinese-language business paper; there is discrimination in the intake of university students, in the engagement of university lecturers and school teachers, in the manning of positions in the army and police forces, and an absence of representation of the non-English-speaking Singaporeans in the decision-making process and in many top government posts. These are just a few examples.

"They branded me as a Chinese Chauvinist. Up to this moment, they have spared no efforts in distracting the public’s attention from my arguments in order to frighten off the non-Chinese Singaporeans. My candidacy for the opposition triggered off the PAP’s nerve system. I am a cross-cultured breed and can cross cultural and language barrier." Tang speaks English and Malay as well as Mandarin. "This touches the core policy of Singapore and the PAP – ‘Divide and rule.’"

http://singaporeelection.blogspot.com/2006/05/feature-on-tang-liang-hong.html

Lee Kuan Yew's tactic is to set one group after another; play off chinese against malays, so that he can take advantage of both.

Destroy chinese schools while at the same time replacing malay as common language while at the same time maneuvering his own mother tongue english to become dominant.

Play chinese chauvinist card to mobilise the malays to deal with the dialect chinese; if the malays make trouble, play malay racial riots card to mobilise the dialect chinese to deal with the malays.

In the end, both malay and chinese influence weakened, while his peranakan faction gains.

Don't be naive enough to fall for Harry Lee Kuan Yew's oldest trick in the book.

Siliconchip SG

If alien english can be dominant here, I see no reason why mandarin cannot be dominant in a 75% chinese populated island.

No reason whatsoever.

Lol Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world. Yet, it is not dominant and is FAR from being dominant as it is one of the least widely spoken lanuguages. Just because a majority speaks that shit does not mean it is useful dude.

BanguIzai SG

You all people have missed his point.

Neither does Dalforce want Mandarin as the only dominant language. He just wants English out of the scene. He wants the native languages preserved by the original speakers and let Bazaar Malay to continue develop itself until today as the lingua franca, if not for the hiatus caused by the imposition of English as the common language by the PAP government.

Since when does he mandate that Mandarin should be enforced the population like what PAP enforce English on the population?

Rub the eyes of you all clearly please.

In short, what Dalforce vision is to let language evolution by itself. Let not government policies be imposed on the natural path.

Dalforce 25 SG

3. 1955 - Hock Lee Bus Riots
Dispute - This was a labour riot. Workers rioted against poor working conditions set by bus companies. It is also recorded by many that the Hock Lee Bus riot was politically motivated against the pro-Brit government.
Parties who rioted - Bus workers, joined by Chinese school students against bus companies.

4. 1956 - Chinese Middle School Riots -
This is actually not just one riot, but a series of riots.
Dispute - Lim Yew Hock, Chief Minister, de-registered and banned two pro-communist organisations.
Parties who rioted - Chinese students against the pro-Brit govt of Singapore. The students gathered and assembled at Chung Cheng High School and Chinese High School.

Poulgrain claims it was actually Singapore's then Chief Minister, Lim Yew Hock, who had deliberately "provoked" the bus and other industrial workers and Chinese middle students to riot in 1956 in order to have Lim Chin Siong arrested.

Lim Yew Hock's own admission to responsibility for the riot appears in an official report to the British Government which Poulgrain found in the Colonial Office records in London which are now open to researchers.

"Lee Kuan Yew was secretly a party with Lim Yew Hock," adds Poulgrain, "in urging the Colonial Secretary to impose the subversives ban in making it illegal for former political detainees to stand for election."

http://www.thinkcentre.org/article.cfm?ArticleID=977

Actually I think the riots were instigated by the pro-british Lim Yew Hock to serve as a pretext to destroy the anti-colonial left wing movement led by Lim Chin Siong and others.

This left wing movement was the main political movement fighting british colonial rule and imperialism in Singapore.

But there was a traitor among them - Harry Lee Kuan Yew.

Whereas many English-educated Babas re-emphasised their allegiance to the British Empire and were afraid that full independence might harm their still privileged position, the vast majority of Chinese-educated Chinese were vehemently anti-colonial and anti-imperialist.

http://www.asiawind.com/pub/forum/fhakka/mhonarc/msg01319.html

After his education in Britain, Lee Kuan Yew returned to Singapore in 1949 to practise as a lawyer in the law firm Laycock and Ong. He became the honorary legal adviser for several trade unions after being acquainted with their leaders (in 1951) and subsequently caught the public eye in February 1952, when the Postal Workers Union succeeded, with his guidance, in obtaining important concessions from the colonial government.

According to his memoirs and this website, Lee Kuan Yew then proceeded to form the PAP with the help of the communists. Yet these sources conveniently neglect to mention Lee Kuan Yew's involvement in the Singapore Progressive Party in the 1951 legislative elections. In fact, Lee acted as the election agent for his boss John Laycock, helping him to manage his campaign and canvass on his behalf. (See here and here for proof) He had thus entered into politics even before he became involved in the trade unions' dispute with the British. (Polling day for the 1951 legislative elections was on 10 April, we can assume that his political activities with the SPP started months before that)

If I may speculate, LKY joined the SPP initially to build up his political career there. However when the Rendel Constitution expanded the electoral rolls to include all local-born as voters, resulting in a significant increase in Chinese voters, LKY decided to jump ship and formed the PAP in 1954 because he saw that the SPP lacked the support of the Chinese working class. (So the next time LKY condemns politicians who change political parties, you know where he's coming from)

Yet the problem isn't solely that LKY jumped ship and didn't care to tell anyone about his great experience in his memoirs. The bigger problem lies in the fact that LKY supported the SPP despite the fact that it was

A) pro-British in both its policies and in its composition of members (mostly English-speaking upper class professionals)

B) unsupportive of achieving independence (it merely paid lip-service to the idea by declaring in October 1952, its objective of Singapore achieving independence through a Singapore-Malaya merger without setting a target date)

LKY's miraculous change of heart on these issues when he joined the PAP only demonstrates how the pursuit of power can sometimes make one very flexible about their beliefs. Unfortunately for us, this flexibility of LKY's did not extend to the area of political freedoms.

http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/secret-blog/2009/09/is-lee-kuan-yew-more-interested-in.html

Siliconchip SG

Dalforce, now you are just being a nuisance. Why would you quote yourself on something u copied and pasted, and then copy-paste some more material? This is spamming right here.

Dalforce 25 SG

Dalforce, now you are just being a nuisance. Why would you quote yourself on something u copied and pasted, and then copy-paste some more material? This is spamming right here.

oops. My mistake.

This Harry Lee Kuan Yew has an extremely shady and dirty political background.

His dirty and tainted past must be made more widely known to Singaporeans.

The real generation that does not remember

Idealist says:

No lah, the older generation did not create a formula that worked for us.

This is the same propaganda which also claims we were a fishing village in the 50′s and 60′s.

Yeah I am from the older generation.

The REAL narrative has yet to be written on the 50′s and 60′s. And LKY has not earned the title Founding Father.

He does not seem to care if people dont percieve as a reconciling national figure who did not need knuckle dusters. He is the orginal hatchet man.

Revisionist historians will have a field day when he goes.

The younger generation or the facebook generation however have been a marvel. I hope they continue to question capitalist values which have created an elite class who dont seem to know or want to know whats going on with the masses. Continue to be irreverent, young people. Push us to the margins. Dont be scared. You can also cry….tears of genuine compassion are powerful. You are Spore’s hope. Speak up!!

https://chaptertworeload.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/the-real-generation-that-does-not-remember/

Siliconchip SG

again with the copy-paste rubbish.... This is a forum damn it.

M the name SG

oops. My mistake.

This Harry Lee Kuan Yew has an extremely shady and dirty political background.

His dirty and tainted past must be made more widely known to Singaporeans.

The real generation that does not remember

Idealist says:

No lah, the older generation did not create a formula that worked for us.

This is the same propaganda which also claims we were a fishing village in the 50′s and 60′s.

Yeah I am from the older generation.

The REAL narrative has yet to be written on the 50′s and 60′s. And LKY has not earned the title Founding Father.

He does not seem to care if people dont percieve as a reconciling national figure who did not need knuckle dusters. He is the orginal hatchet man.

Revisionist historians will have a field day when he goes.

https://chaptertworeload.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/the-real-generation-that-does-not-remember/

No Only Naruto the Pang Sai is the worst and the most vile and despicable shit of all shit that exist in this planet. Nobody or nothing can be compared to this pang sai, Understand ?

Clivebenss SG

likeyou SG

So far everybody are using english to communicate here in sgforum.

alize SG

It's not for culture. It's for Lee Kuan Yew's dream of Sg's slaves doing business with China.

M the name SG

Actually it is an well known secret that even currently America are the largest borrower from China and China 's loan surprisely came from chinese people saving (they didn't have cpf some more.) And the asian finanical crisis and recent economic downturn didn't really affect China much. Your can watch this show as a proof better than watch time reading Naruto the pang sai : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RHVoDVOcHk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Let just said that Mr Lee is just "识时务者为俊杰".Even US now thought of choose an guy called Jon Huntsman instead of Obama as an president candidate for 2012 just because he is more friendly to China and China might lend more $$$, you think you can ignore chinese language and become a country bumpkin that only know dialect which is only usefully in coffee shop, that is some "shallow" people decision.

Clivebenss SG

and become a country bumpkin that only know dialect which is only usefully in coffee shop, that is some "shallow" people decision.

haiz... some are indeed shallow.

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