Oh and those readups which you gave me....
It was kind of embarassing reading that article about
chinglish.....man....we are really poor! We can't string a proper
sentence in chinese at all lol!! And the breakdown of the different
locations in Indo regarding their dialects and habits etc....I'd
think it's quite accurate, well at least regarding jakarta,
surabaya and solo. The writer must have really done intensive
research.
Hope one day can visit places like bangansiapipi to see how well
they speak their hokkien.
The other 2 articles, no comment ?
I got some observations.
I took 【漢語方言對印尼城市中文名的影響】 (named as article "A")
and【印尼華人的語言狀況】 (named as article "B") and did a
comparison. Did you notice in article "A"
where is shows Yogyakarta is named after
Cantonese naming conventions, meaning most of the first inhabitants
in Yogyakarta were the Cantonese, but in
article "B", Yogyakarta is
said to be populated mainly by the Fujian (Hokkien) and Fuqing
(Hockchia) people, so now, a) are the
Cantonese reduced to a minority after the Hokkiens and Hockchias
overwhelmed them, or b) they left
Yogyakarta totally without a trace after they
have founded the city ?
And,
In article "B", on page 162, it
mentioned that in 1930, the Hakkas in the Outer
provinces were around 125,000, and the Hakkas
in Java (and Madura) were around 75,000.
This matches the census done by Volkstelling, 1930:104,
Table 21, which showed that in 1930,
the Hakkas in the Outer provinces were 125,548,
and the Hakkas in Java (and Madura) were
75,188.
Apparently, the data is gathered from the
Volkstelling census.
Now, comes the next line, it mentioned that in
1930, the Hakkas in 西加裏曼丹 were around
38,000.
In the census done by Volkstelling,1930:104, Table
21, it also showed that in 1930, the
Hakkas in Borneo (which is = 西加裏曼丹) were
39,125.
Apprently, this piece of data should be gathered from
the Volkstelling census too.
But the last sentence,
“佔華人總人口66,000人的57%”。There
is no where in the Volkstelling census that I
can find a figure near to 66,000, as
the Volkstelling census showed that the total
number of people in Borneo then was 91,320.
If going by the Volkstelling census, the
number of Hakkas on Borneo in 1930 should
have been 43%.
This led me think differently with respect to the opinion in the
last second section "五、閩南語與印尼語的互動" that the Hakkas are supposedly
more numerous than the Hokkiens but contributed negligible
loanwords into Bahasa. In the first place, research has shown
the earlier and the longer the immigrants are, the loanwords would
have reached the recipient language first. It would have much
less to do with a subsequent bigger but later wave of immigration
from a new dialect group.
