Rape Of Nanjing

dumbdumb! SG

Good insight into history, yes, i truly agreed.

The jap war with China was not the intention of KMT and Japan, it was well planned by the soviet and PRC so as to

1. weaken the KMT.

2. Deviate Jap from invading Soviet (which was their original interest)

3. Much of photos and film were mere propaganda just to attract/recruit PRC members by showning that KMT cannot protect them.

Therefore after the war, PRC was able to chase KMT away and become the govt/ruler of China till this date.

so KMT good or bad. i saw in wong fei hong, they're good right?

joshua182 SG

angel7030 your history is worse than my kid brother's.

I summarize what you said : China told Japan to invade it, and the soviet union approved this invasion immensly.

In that case Nagasaki and Hiroshima were never nuked, Singapore never conquered and Germany has taken over the world and jews are extinct.

You're a fucking tool you know that? There wasn't even a "PRC" till the 1950s so how the FUCK can the "PRC" plan with japanese wankers to invade "themselves"? And WHY THE FUCK WOULD bowlegged japs want to invade RUSSIA when their pussy planes are barely capable of destroying a task force(pearl harbour). Anyone who takes history lessons from you can go shoot themselves.

"1. weaken the KMT.

2. Deviate Jap from invading Soviet (which was their original interest)

3. Much of photos and film were mere propaganda just to attract/recruit PRC members by showning that KMT cannot protect them.

Therefore after the war, PRC was able to chase KMT away and become the govt/ruler of China till this date."

GODDAM YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL. YOU FAIL. WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS YOUR IGNORANCE.

1)KMT is backed by AMERICA

so it automatically voids your pathetic

2) The Soviet union had all intent to INVADE JAPAN THEMSELVES so why the fuck would they be terrified by a Japanese invasion after they had fought NAZIS?

3)Mere propaganda for the Communist party? 1940 GOT PHOTOSHOP OR NOT? and even if it was fucking propaganda BOTH SIDES WOULD USE IT WOULD THEY NOT?
You've got some screws loose mate.

Zarks SG

It is a horrible story to relate; I know not where to begin nor to end. Never have I heard or read of such brutality. Rape: We estimate at least 1,000 cases a night and many by day. In case of resistance or anything that seems like disapproval there is a bayonet stab or a bullet.

There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from the language school last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night—one of the girls was but 12 years old… Tonight a truck passed in which there were eight or ten girls, and as it passed they called out "Jiu ming! Jiu ming!"—save our lives.

Chinese civilians to be buried alive

The International Military Tribunal for the Far East stated that 20,000 (and perhaps up to 80,000) women were raped, their ages ranging from infants to the elderly (as old as 80).^[20] Rapes were often performed in public during the day, sometimes in front of spouses or family members that were tied up and forced to watch. A large number of them were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped. The women were then killed immediately after the rape, often through mutilation, including breasts being cut off, or stabbing by bamboo (usually very long sticks), bayonet, butcher's knife and other objects into the vagina. According to some testimonies, other women were forced into military prostitution as comfort women. There are even stories of Japanese troops forcing families to commit acts of incest.^[21] Sons were forced to rape their mothers, fathers were forced to rape daughters. One pregnant woman who was gang-raped by Japanese soldiers gave birth only a few hours later; the baby was perfectly healthy (Robert B. Edgerton, Warriors of the Rising Sun). Monks who had declared a life of celibacy were forced to rape women for the amusement of the Japanese.^[21] Chinese men were forced to have sex with corpses and infants, Chinese men were forced to have their penises cut off by bayonets for "humorous" reasons as detailed by some Japanese soldiers, and the testicles were as well, cut off (some men were forced to eat them), farmers were forced to commit zoophiliac acts with their livestock. Men were tied up by Japanese soldiers and hit in the crotch area with bamboo sticks. Any resistance would be met with summary executions. While the rape peaked immediately following the fall of the city, it continued for the duration of the Japanese occupation.

Read the red sentences.. God damn bitch Japanese.FUCKKKKKK !!!! But thats the past...

CenturionMBT SG

To Ponders who said

"many of the photos used to portray Rape of Nanking have been proven inaccurate.

Some closer investigation showed that some beheading and bayonetting are done by the PRC/KMT chinese back then.

Do remember that during the Rape of Nanking time, it is also during the time PRC and KMT are also fighting each other despite a ceasefire."

Shows your absolute ignorance in this matter. The japanese are forever "proving" with their tiny dick scientists that the photos were fake and yadadadada while meanwhile Amensty International, the red cross, the un, the soviet union( now russia) and even goddam fucking America has statisitcs that show at least 300,000 people died directly to japanese hands in Nanking. And FYI, its not fucking PRC VS Kuomingtang its the COMMUNIST PARTY vs KMT and i would say its absurdly retarded you assume they would be fighting in china's fucking capital while the japanese rape their daugthers and wives and kill their sons.

Closer investigation? OTHER THAN THOSE JAP WANKS, CITE ME A FUCKING SOURCE FOR THIS. You fucking can't. Oldest forumite indeed. Senile with fucking age.

As passionate as you are, you can always reply in a nice civilised manner. No need to be rude. You are just discrediting yourself even if you are right. State your points clearly and concisely. You may attack his points but not the person himself.

Now, it is clearly pointless for me to shove my views into your face because you have kept an extremely strong stance in your views it will be pointless to try to argue with you till the cos come home.

But my views here will be as follows.

WW2 had been a very terrible war. Millions of people have died, all have suffered. But even among the fog of war, you can see the bright side of the people involved, as well as their dark side. Would it be fair then to accuse the good people for the actions of the evil ones?

The fact is, I believe the Japanese gov should apologise. But the world should be prepared to let go too. Those who have been involved, are already dead or dying. Would it be fair for the next few generations to fight over what the past has done? If that is the case, what lessons have we learnt from the past? To hate one another with each other's guts? Just because my grandpa fought with their grandpa? I find it irrelevant.

The world have to move on. It is time for the world to cooperate rather than to fight over an issue that has been there for the past 70 years.

FBI SG

The Japanese emperor is smart and did a good job for the future of Japan. Look at their economy now

dumbdumb! SG

angel7030 your history is worse than my kid brother's.

I summarize what you said : China told Japan to invade it, and the soviet union approved this invasion immensly.

In that case Nagasaki and Hiroshima were never nuked, Singapore never conquered and Germany has taken over the world and jews are extinct.

"1. weaken the KMT.

2. Deviate Jap from invading Soviet (which was their original interest)

3. Much of photos and film were mere propaganda just to attract/recruit PRC members by showning that KMT cannot protect them.

Therefore after the war, PRC was able to chase KMT away and become the govt/ruler of China till this date."

GODDAM YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL. YOU FAIL. WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS YOUR IGNORANCE.

1)KMT is backed by AMERICA

so it automatically voids your pathetic

2) The Soviet union had all intent to INVADE JAPAN THEMSELVES so why the fuck would they be terrified by a Japanese invasion after they had fought NAZIS?

3)Mere propaganda for the Communist party? 1940 GOT PHOTOSHOP OR NOT? and even if it was fucking propaganda BOTH SIDES WOULD USE IT WOULD THEY NOT?
You've got some screws loose mate.

i got E8 for O level history. *scoot*

joshua182 SG

Forget yes, forgive, never. Had been, is now, and always will be. 70 years is a short time. People still live to tell the tale. The jap government has apologised before, retracted it, apologized again, retraced it again, thus voiding the use of any apology short of grovelling with their heads between their legs.

If you're expected to pay the bills for your folks once they turn grey, then yes, you are responsible for them. That account was never settled, never paid. In fact marshall aid went into japan so together with yankee troops and economic advisors they aren't a third world country today. Amazing some singaporeans completely disregard history chasing after a culture of manufactured music and cartoon shows.

Zarks SG

Just feel the pain they have gone thru man…
Japanese government should really apologise for these… at least that action alone will show some sympathy

noahnoah SG

without japan

no Sony

where got PS 2 and PS 3????

angel7030 SG

angel7030 your history is worse than my kid brother's.

I summarize what you said : China told Japan to invade it, and the soviet union approved this invasion immensly.

In that case Nagasaki and Hiroshima were never nuked, Singapore never conquered and Germany has taken over the world and jews are extinct.

"1. weaken the KMT.

2. Deviate Jap from invading Soviet (which was their original interest)

3. Much of photos and film were mere propaganda just to attract/recruit PRC members by showning that KMT cannot protect them.

Therefore after the war, PRC was able to chase KMT away and become the govt/ruler of China till this date."

GODDAM YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL. YOU FAIL. WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS YOUR IGNORANCE.

1)KMT is backed by AMERICA

so it automatically voids your pathetic

2) The Soviet union had all intent to INVADE JAPAN THEMSELVES so why the fuck would they be terrified by a Japanese invasion after they had fought NAZIS?

3)Mere propaganda for the Communist party? 1940 GOT PHOTOSHOP OR NOT? and even if it was fucking propaganda BOTH SIDES WOULD USE IT WOULD THEY NOT?
You've got some screws loose mate.

U go read the story about Mao by Jung Chung, then come and talk to me, the way the PRC civil wars is much much worst than Jap

angel7030 SG

GODDAM YOU ARE A FUCKING TOOL. YOU FAIL. WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS YOUR IGNORANCE.

1)KMT is backed by AMERICA

And even if i am wrong, please be polite, why need to f here and there to a gal, everyone have the right to their opinon, please respect each other ok.

With yr temper, i can picture if u go war, u all also kill and rape yr enemy civilian just to release yr anger hor. Relax lah, this is only a discussion, nobody is right or wrong

noahnoah SG

actually when come into war right

where got mercy one???

It is all about killing!!!

The fittest survive right

Imagine if one day u kena captured and become POW

will u confess who is your officer or you rather protect

your backside?

dumbdumb! SG

without japan

no Sony

where got PS 2 and PS 3????

you feel sorry for stray cats getting put down, but you jest at human sufferings?

dumbdumb! SG

actually when come into war right

where got mercy one???

It is all about killing!!!

The fittest survive right

Imagine if one day u kena captured and become POW

will u confess who is your officer or you rather protect

your backside?

and that's why i find you furry humpers annoying too. i mean.. talk about misplaced piorities. and all that talk about "humans who don't show compassion to cats are the bane of society"... ah well.

i see your true colours... shining through~

Zarks SG

when theres a war, death is inevitable. But never need to go to the extend to torture the ppl.. just one bullet is enough if they really wanna kil them.

noahnoah SG

and that's why i find you furry humpers annoying too. i mean.. talk about misplaced piorities. and all that talk about "humans who don't show compassion to cats are the bane of society"... ah well.

i see your true colours... shining through~

What true colours ?

I mean even When during World War One, manys have suffered too

not to mention how many Jews have suffered too

If one nation have plans to conquer another country,

will they really think ..of how many will lose their lives and so on?

I doubt so..

parn SG

joshua182, I'm impressed by your empathy towards the Rape of Nanjing incidents and the victims.

However, the world itself isn't perfect and fair to begin with, else we would all be living in countries shaped in perfect squares/circles.

I feel that Japan should not be blamed for the Rape of Nanjing, as countries are not capable of committing an act of rape. We must be aware that it was the Japanese soldiers who were responsible for committing this hideous act. Even though I have mentioned Japanese soldiers, but I meant only those who actually committed the act and assisted, should be eternally condemned and impaled but kept alive through life-support systems for the rest of their lives.

You might have realised this long ago but chose to deny the facts that there are rapes and rapists in each and every countries in the world. In fact, rape is still one of the most commonly committed crime even after the World War II. And that brings out a clear fact that it is not fair and righteous to condemn an entire race/civilisation for the act of a few millions as long as there is at least one person in the race/civilisation that does not condone to such behaviour.

It would be very relevant you were to start focusing your attention and energies to help the rape victims in your own country and change the future histories. There are many unfortunate, unheard rape victims in Singapore and they are still very much alive and required plenty of help. Would you be able to help them first?

It would be appalling if I were to continue to patronise a food stall after getting raped by the food seller. Fortunately, that wasn't the case then. Therefore, we all need to move on and give the world a HUGE forgiveness.

However, I hope that whoever out there that are persistent in condemning an entire country/race/civilisation, to be righteous and seek ONLY apology and nothing else.

IF they have the intention to seek more than just an apology (LIKE MONEY?) by persistent harping on past histories, I would have no choice but to tell them to go FUCK themselves, those fucking retards.

Ponders SG

To Joshua182,

Don't see why you need to use such language.

Yes, being a imformal forum, i just use PRC to mean Communist party, because "CP" would be vague. PRC is what communist established china in 1949 (after the war). I admit error on this part.

As for citing a source about inaccuracy of photographs, just look at Iris Chang's works.

I NEVER denied Rape of Nanking happened. I do believe it happened. This can be proven not by evidence but today, it is extremely hard and rare to find a Chinese who is native Nanking.

I am not sure why you are so worked up on this issue. But if you want to prove a point, using profanities ain't the way to go.

But i can tell you what "closer investigation" means...

1. There are photographs that WERE not taken in Nanking, but believers of Rape Of Nanking used those photographs to make people believe it was in Nanking.

2. A blur photograph of a soldier escorting villagers at bayonet point. It was proven later that solider was clearly wearing KMT uniform.

3. Iris Chang's works were proven inaccurate on some accounts. She herself admitted to that.

Honestly, I am surprised at your ignorance to call me ignorant. More likely you are biased to your point.

Zarks SG

To Joshua182,

Don't see why you need to use such language.

Yes, being a imformal forum, i just use PRC to mean Communist party, because "CP" would be vague. PRC is want communist established china in 1949 (after the war). I admit error on this part.

As for citing a source about inaccuracy of photographs, just look at Iris Chang's works.

I NEVER denied Rape of Nanking happened. I do believe it happened. This can be proven not by evidence but today, it is extremely hard and rare to find a Chinese who is native Nanking.

I am not sure why you are so worked up on this issue. But if you want to prove a point, using profanities ain't the way to go.

But i can tell you what "closer investigation" means...

1. There are photographs that WERE not taken in Nanking, but believers of Rape Of Nanking used those photographs to make people believe it was in Nanking.

2. A blur photograph of a soldier escorting villagers at bayonet point. It was proven later that solider was clearly wearing KMT uniform.

3. Iris Chang's works were proven inaccurate on some accounts. She herself admitted to that.

Honestly, I am surprised at your ignorance to call me ignorant. More likely you are biased to your point.

Do u have any proof? Mind copy some link to those proof that u said? i would like to read it myself lo

natural_boy SG

tht's the reason i only look for jap chicks

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