REN CI Hospital under probe !!!

last SG · 2007-11-08T10:37:13+00:00

The fucking cunt mod dunno how 2 link thread when closes a related one issit? http://www.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/308074 Hiaz everything i must do........

cyberr1981 SG

Ok, I'm a grad and would like to apply for a monk position that sits in the office all day, no need to do any stunts and draws a 20k salary every month! Very Happy

Preferably higher position than ming yi fa shi, 5-day work wk, also got company car.

kenizaton SG

wakaoz..when is this gonna end man..last time NKF..now Ren Ci..who's gonna help the patients in future when everyone lost their faith in helping them thru donating?

mortified SG

that shows not even reputable hospitals are clean of any charges

BeautifulBetty SG

Clap! Clap! Clap! Well said! Well said! Maybe I should send him Tsai Chih Chung 'The Book of Zen' 1 and 2 and try to divert him back to the right path assuming he is a flower monk. If I a layman(woman) can understand those simple rules of being a monk, I don't understand how he the venerated one didn't grasp the meaning of being a monk Rolling Eyes

ORIGAMIST SG

Originally posted by ^tamago^:
[b]Buddhist artefacts shop got interest-free loan from Ren Ci
Straits Times Online, The (Singapore)
Nov 9, 2007
By Ho Ai Li

MANDALA Buddhist Cultural Centre, a company selling Buddhist artefacts, has emerged as one of the external organisations said to have received interest-free loans from Ren Ci Hospital & Medicare Centre.

Ren Ci is being investigated by the Ministry of Health (MOH) for financial irregularities which were found during a general review, said the ministry in a statement released on Wednesday.

Mandala, whose registered owners are Mr We Beng Seng and Ren Ci honorary CEO Vnerable Ming Yi, operated from a shop unit in the Fu Lu Shou Complex in Rochor Road.

When contacted on Friday, Mr We said that Mandala was set up in 1996 with $200,000 to $300,000 from Ren Ci. Profits from the business, which was run out of a Balestier address before it moved to Rochor Road in 1997, were intended to be ploughed back to Ren Ci.

But business was poor and Mandala gave up its two shop units three years ago and took a small counter at Foo Hai Ch'an Monastery in Geylang East, of which Venerable Ming Yi is abbot.

Asked about loan, Mr We said: 'It hasn't been returned yet. Unfortunately, the shop is not making any profit.' It is still running but business is 'not very good', he added.

The Straits Times understands that Ren Ci may have been making interest-free loans totalling millions of dollars to various companies from as far back as 1996. There appear to be discrepancies - of several hundred thousand dollars in some cases - between what the charity recorded it lent, and what the companies involved recorded as having borrowed.

Venerable Ming Yi had told Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao on Wednesday that the money was mostly recovered, with only $200,000 to $300,000 still due.

A check showed that Venerable Ming Yi is the registered owner of two businesses, Mandala and Ch'an Yun Buddhist Handicrafts & Trading. He is also shareholder of Savoury Restaurant, Bodhicherie Vegeatarian Food and Semco Design Communications Pte Ltd.

Ren Ci, which has 120 nursing home patients and 324 chronic sick patients, is holding a fund-raising Qian Shou (Thousand Hand) Guanyin Charity Concert next weekend, from Nov 17 to 18.

The government inquiry is expected to take about three months. In the meantime, Ren Ci's Institution of Public Character (IPC) status would not be renewed when it expires on Nov 27. This means that donations made to Ren Ci by members of the public after then will not be tax-deductible.

Copyright, 2007, Singapore Press Holdings Limited
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Isn't $200 -$300 k a lot of money? I will take my life time to save this amount !!! sheeh...... to think that I have even donated dispite being played out by NKF !!! this is double whammy !! Twisted Evil

sunnytv SG

If it is true, He had forgotten the teaching of the Buddhism. So busy earning money, no time to read sutra. He is no different from those fake monks on the street and Durai. Using charity name to live a lifestyle of luxury. What about other charities, have they done the same thing?

With this kind of people around, the poor will always suffers when the poor put their trust in them as they thought they are helping them.

ORIGAMIST SG

Like the NKF, I have never failed to donate to Ren Ci... afterall, it was meant to help the poorer ( why poorer, bacause I am poor and these people are deem to be poorer than me lor )... .. now like you felt being cheated lor ... I still think they are doing a great job judgeing from the comments giveb by the beneficiary , but to give interest free loan, I mean, this is a hospital, not a banking insistution lor ... !!!

angel7030 SG

Depend on what type of monk you want to be, can be indian monk, Burmese monk, thai monk, maha monk, thera monk etc etc.

You have to go to the relevant monastary to apply, must go thru fitness test, Hiv test and also seducing and horny test. All monk recruits need to pass these tests, unless you apply to be a Monk ey, then no need, just go to the Zoo and the apes will welcome you with open arms.

angel7030 SG

For you info, he dun drive, he got chaff to drive him around in his Jaguar.

ORIGAMIST SG

wow .... my dream car !!

angel7030 SG

Originally posted by BeautifulBetty:

13k is not high??? Especially for a [b]MONK???!!! Tell me why would a MONK need that kind of salary. Do you know what is the definition of monk in the Buddhism text??? So he cilmbed high building every year and that warrant him to have a high salary??? Remember this! He is first a MONK! And as a MONK he must adhere to the rules and regulation of the Buddhism ways. Simplicity is the word for MONKS! Live a simple life. Any kind of luxury is NOT considered 'MONKISH' life.

If what was rumoured to be try that he drive a Merc then he should renounce his monk-hood! He should be taking public transport if t need arise. Not like if Singapore is very big. Getting from one destination to another wouldn't take that long. Late? How can a monk be late. His timing should be timed properly to coincide with his daily activities. The most is he should take a cab. Assuming the Merc was donated, he should not even use it! There are lots of people in his charity organization. Anyone can easily drive him to his destination on time.

So? Yes this is a modern world but his simplisitic in life must be followed strictly. Driving a merc is luxury!

Anyway it was also rumoured he is staying in a condominium too but no one can confirm. All these are yet to see.

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Quite true indeed, a monk in Sankirit is Saha, the name given by Buddha, Disciples of Buddha like Anandna and chahkirat hv all turn to become Saha, their duties is to up hold buddha teaching, live simply and accept only foods from others. They shall preach the good of Buddha teaching and practice contention and simplicity inorder to attain Buddhahood or so call Enlightment. They shall not indulge in shows or any other acts to gain popularity or canvassing for funds or money.

Seven_Dragon SG

so being monk in s'pore is better than serving NS...
so why serve???
go to be monk... Mr. Green

hohaha SG

then be a monk.

charlize SG

Suddenly even charities are operating as banks and lending people money.

Only difference is, they don't charge interest.

Or do they? Laughing

royston_ang SG

compare to Durai case is "small house see big house". Durai only take peanut. Laughing

LikeThatAlsoCan SG

Like that also can ah. Great discussion here. I also say my piece hor

Salute to mr_sotong ! Wow! You have satisfied the 3 conditions of a perfect philanthropy ; see no beneficiary of philanthropy, see no object of philanthropy and see no act of philanthropy. Great job !

Same as dumbdumb! I also support Ren Ci and its staff. Even MOH also said they recognize the good work of Ren Cis staff and they are confident that the Ren Ci Board will ensure that professional standards are services remain intact and the day-to-day operations in Ren Ci carry on undisrupted.

What I can say for sir_peanuts query, under the robes are the Triple Gem at work.

Dxdx not pang pui lah ! Have any of you been to Ren Ci ? The greatest virtue of all compassion is to tend to the old and the sick. I think most of us do not possess such virtue; including me. We all like to enjoy ourselves. One of these days I would go and visit Ren Ci and see not with my eyes but with my heart.

GenX ai ya, thats the art of public speaking mah. Dont quite recall the course title already. Once you master this public speaking art, it actually looks as though you have memorized a perfect speech; but in actual fact, its actually thinking on the feet. Well, hes innocent until proven guilty right; and I have this feeling, hes clean.

On the issue of salary. If I read the newspaper reporting correctly, there were only 4 years where he drew salary of $12k but also donated $6k back to Ren Ci. Im not versed in Buddhism text, but can vaguely recall that a monk cannot possess personal wealth; as this is against the Buddhist teachings. Having said that, dont forget hor, a monk also has father and mother which he has to look after their basic needs. This is the basic filial piety (Xiao Dao). How he used that $6k, I dont know. Most probably tend to the basic needs of the parents and the remainder donated to charity. Dont ask me.

Well, about monks driving car. Come on , we are in a modernize society, religious leaders need to be like you and me and talk in our lingo; and not behaving like creeps right ? Whats wrong with driving a car? You cant expect them to walk bear footed under the hot sun from one point to another right ? Just based on my limited knowledge on cause and sustenance (Yin Yuan).

Yes, a monk he is; that is just one of the many hats he is wearing. As a designated CEO of a company, I think it is not too much to ask for a car. Respect and status should be reciprocate; especially during corporate meetings. You treat me with respect, I treat you with respect too. Some forumers comment that he should not be driving car; should get some other staff to drive him around. But, again, if someone sees him being chauffeur around; wow, see a monk also got chauffeur leh !! Mouth is yours, say whatever you like loh.

On the rules of being a real monk suggested by few forumers, what my thought is we shouldnt see things superficially. Remember, its substance over matter. We have indulged too much into the superficial matter over the real, underlying principles of being a real monk, the real follower of the Buddhist teachings. What I thought of a real monk is one who has compassion and others above self. Even fame; which is superficially bestow upon a monk; is nothing but a by-product of the fruit of labour of applying the correct principles of a true bodhisattva. Hmm let me try to illustrate with one example. One sees a thousand hands Guan Yin statue as having mighty power to help the weak and needy. This is superficial. Its real meaning, translating to the mundane world which we live in; is to be able to help the weak and needy using many contact arms to reach out to as many available resources as possible to help the weak and needy; not for oneself. This is the spirit. For that, I kneel and bow to the true monk.

Well, dont know about you all. But, I will continue to donate to nkf and ren ci to help the sick and needy. Dont penalize them lah.

Stoat SG

He has forgotten that he is running a charity organisation and we donors are his bosses. Retrospectively speaking, if all donors give their blessing that this should be done in such a way I doubt anyone will have complaints.

AndrewPKYap SG

Apparently the issue is that the charity lent some people/company money…. but according to the CEO… that is not a problem because the money has mostly been recovered…

selfobliged SG

they should have checks on all charity organization

Icemoon SG

Good translation. Mr. Green

Actually in chinese, it means "small shaman sees big shaman". The 'wu' is the same as 'wu po', i.e. witch. The idiom came from the Three Kingdoms period.

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