Matt? Oh he has done well in other cars before. His won in a
rather crap Nissan Primera. That shows how good he is I think. I
believe if he'd been offered a properly supported conti drive, he
would have won lots more championships. As it is, he was always the
privateer, without factory backing. This driver has not had good
cars in his past career, even so, he manhandled a piece of junk to
win. I think that says a lot about how much of a factor he is in
the current winning combination. U also have to look at how
everyone else is doing in the other ITRs and the CTRs also, to know
he's a bigger factor than u give him credit for.
If we look CAREFULLY at the sort of contis honda was racing
against, then u wouldn't look so deep into it. Seriously hor, the
2001 gen hondas were racing the 1998 Vauxhalls used by the private
teams. If a newer car cannot even beat a design 3 years older than
itself, i think its even more sia suay, isn't it? The hondas were
competitive alright. competitive against uncompetitive machinery.
thats the only reason the hondas got as many points as they did. by
fielding a LOT of cars, and by the dint that most of the contis
were very old vauxhalls, and a quad of uncompetitive Lexuses. Now
if the whole field was running with say... the newer gen Astra, I'd
imagine that to be a very different story. 
Wooooo can u imagine where Honda would have ended up then? with the
privateer astras snatching points from them, they wouldn't even
have finished above Seat, even with Seat only having 3 or 4
cars!
Actually that brings me to another pt. Seat with 3 or 4 cars only
against almost half of a whole field of hondas, yet where teams was
concerned, they came in ahead of honda in 04. the only reason they
were below in the constructors was because they didn't field more
cars. imagine, if the field had a lot more seats also.... i can't
imagine where honda would be in the construtors... it'd be tragic!
honestly, yes, what u say does makes me rethink my opinion yes.
everytime i have to dig out more facts, everytime i have to
rethink, the bar sinks lower. i beseech u to stop before i run out
of ground clearance to lower my opinion of the civic any further
hmm... interesting about the S2K. actually i was thinking pitting
it against the Beemers in WTCC would be more interesting! Of course
seeing as the beemer is also heavier and RWD, which basically means
it shares a lot of the disadvantages of the S2k, and yet won the
WTCC championship last year, means a lot of those points are
probably moot. Also considering how the cars in BTCC and WTCC are
almost similiar (the same Seat Leon Rs r in both) If Honda can
somehow get a racing version homologated, why not? Spoon HAS GT
versions of S2Ks if i remember correctly.
