Singapore gets more leopard tanks

last SG · 2011-07-25T21:07:28+00:00

Then again many weapons are made for insurgencies or assymetric conflicts.

alize SG

wanna talk about wasting money, we wasted even more on our S1 to S3 armoured vehicles.

1- prime mover for a man who does nothing but go from buffet to buffet. this variant is airmobile only when unloaded.

3- dual role national command post vehicle and medical vehicle, for a man who left the cabinet 21 years ago. this variant gives an extra smooth ride.

2- secondary command post vehicle. this variant has extra armor to insulate the occupant from the common people's problems. performs command role when #3 is indisposed.

weasel1962 SG

ST is not accurate on defence matters or much else. They reported 66+30.

My mistake on earlier numbers. Mindef reported 66+30. 95 is about there. ST reported another 36. Whether that will materialise remains to be seen. Like MY news reporting about buying so and so, doesn't tie to UN numbers either.

alize SG

ST is very ignorant of defence matters and SAF does nothing to help them improve. There's this ex defence correspondent who is very critical of the way SAF handles publicity especially (and the officers responsible).

Gaosung SG

waste of $$ ?

what do you recommend then?

alize SG

1. The June copy of Army News features the boxy, non-APS 2A4s and describes them as "upgraded". I wonder what is meant by this, aside from addition of the BMS?

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/army_news.html

2. These non-APS tanks have been quite prominent in recent mindef photos and videos including one of an urban warfare exercise with Terrex motorized infantry. An indication that as important MBT protection is in urban warfare, infantry are a better form of protection than APS? Or an indication of uncommon or experimental status of APS-equipped tanks?

3. Also, what is the definition of "spare tanks"? Spare parts hulls, experimental tanks, NDP tanks, or tanks for reservists / kept in storage = no practical difference except to appear less aggressive?

4. IIRC the figure of 350 AMX-13s consisted of spares as well, including spare parts hulls. Correct me if I'm wrong, but were some converted into other vehicles or were these recovery vehicles, AVLBs etc bought the way they are?

fudgester SG

From what I understand 'spare tanks' are used as a source of spare parts.

In our case, the 30 spare tanks will provide spare parts for the 66 main tanks.

weasel1962 SG

Only if spares can’t really be obtained.

The engines are serviceable (and there’s a new powerplant is in production that can be installed if required). The gun can be replaced. The BMS is self developed. Don’t see any real concern with keeping all 95 or 96 in service if the SAF really wanted it to.

Even the ammo is new-build. The tank will still be production due to the new Saudi order. Spares shouldn’t be an issue.

alize SG

Only if spares can’t really be obtained.

Even the ammo is new-build. The tank will still be production due to the new Saudi order. Spares shouldn’t be an issue.

I tend to believe this theory. Makes no sense to dismantle the most expensive and least readily replacable items in case of war.

BTW, Army News also mentioned we have a Leopard 2 AVLB (other AVLB include the the Bionix and AMX-13).

2A7... such unrealized potential...

weasel1962 SG

The DM-63 & DM-12s still packs a wallop with the L44 gun. Each L2A4 carries up to 42 rounds (same as the PT-91M). @~$5k each round, that $200k of big gun ammo each tank carries already Smile . 66 = 2,772 rounds. Quite a lot of punch there already.

alize SG

What's the price of a Baktar Shikan?

weasel1962 SG

What's the price of a Baktar Shikan?

In MY's case, the MY press reported RM30.9m contract and UN reporting showed 18 launchers + ~450 missiles purchased.

My rough estimate would be RM400k per launcher & RM50k per missile.

alize SG

Very affordable.

I wonder how many people think the Leopards are a good choice.

All SAF armoured vehicles are sub-30 tons for reasons of lacking infrastructure in neighbouring countries. Malaysia does have decent infrastructure but I don't find it likely we will go to war with Malaysia, or that we even need MBTs to deter them. Leopards would have a real problem in Indonesia, even "developed" places such as Batam. I can more foresee the Leopards being useful when Indonesia invades Malaysia, and SAF helps to counter attack on Malaysian territory when the Malaysians are unable to help themselves.

alize SG

I by chance discovered that Botswana has an army of 12,000 with 96 A4s and A6s on order.

Susanteo2011 SG

Very affordable.

I wonder how many people think the Leopards are a good choice.

alamak..................still clueless ah....................

the Leopard tanks are for suppressing S'poreans...........in case PAP lose next elections...................

fudgester SG

alamak..................still clueless ah....................

the Leopard tanks are for suppressing S'poreans...........in case PAP lose next elections...................

[sarcasm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... and the Pegasus is used to blow your house up, and the F-15SG is used in case you survive the shelling.

[/sarcasm]

By the way, your assertion that Singapore has the most number of second-hand Leopards in the world is downright false.

Please go and take your Temasek Review nonsense elsewhere.

alize SG

http://youtu.be/yfiRWBpTLQY

Leopard crew dismounted training

weasel1962 SG

Very affordable.

I wonder how many people think the Leopards are a good choice.

A 2nd gen ATGM like BShikan Metis has issues. That's because it has to tackle frontal armour (not to mention add on armour). Also, it can be affected by smoke, jamming etc.

http://milparade.udm.ru/security/31/024x.htm

That's why SG ended up using the 4th gen Spike which has a top-attack mode + fire & forget.

alize SG

True, though there are many non-head on, non-MBTs targets for the BS. Also I wonder if it can take on export variants of MBTs.

The article said jamming or soft kill systems do not work against wire guided missiles like the BS.

tripwire SG

True, though there are many non-head on, non-MBTs targets for the BS. Also I wonder if it can take on export variants of MBTs.

The article said jamming or soft kill systems do not work against wire guided missiles like the BS.

germans aint russians, the germans dont believe in downgrading weapons systems they sell to other countries like the russians does.

for the germans, its either they sell you , or they wont.

the russians OTOH will sell you, but you must accept downgraded "EXPORT" version, like the AMRAAMSKI missiles that they sell to other countries.

alize SG

Even Australian and all other export M1 tanks come without DU armour.

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