Is DART considered SF?

last SG · 2012-01-12T01:23:36+00:00

Well, it was a story, and they probably needed a few deaths to make us go sob sob.French SF? GIGN?

BEARZAIS SG

Bearzais, the Guards are more lightly equipped than the infantry. They are highly mobile, amphibious/airborne, flank screeners.

From what little I know about the Commandos, they do practice unconventional small unit tactics. A platoon is not a large force for most missions.multiple platoons.

What I understand is NSF Commandos are 100% raiders. The SF which carry out missions such as lasing are all regulars. If you go to Sheares on any given day, you will catch a glimpse of them before long, they're always buying their specialist gear.

Orh......always thought guards were heavy inf like erm...... marines?...opps mine bad.......

BEARZAIS SG

Do agree on the unconventional small unit ops, but for the most part, it’s sabotage and assault, the real SF teams tend to work with 4-8 men teams, not 35+ men platoons and their ops are more fire support and recce/survey than storm the trenches missions.

Even the SF assault jobs like hostage rescue don’t use 35 men in an assault, more like a max of ~16 men minus support on the entry (4 fireteams).

Sabotage and assualt definately sounds more fun then reeceing......runing and hiding from the enemy...all day long : ( ........

Underpaid SG

lol I like recce. Once you’re out of your OC’s sight, deploy hammock. Razz

Besides, recce can be fun once in a while, you get to use all the nice stuff like TI, NVGs, ground sensors, and call in air/arty strikes.

Beats running up and down a hill screaming your lungs out lol.

Back to ADF, you think there could actually be two ADFs? One a testing unit, the other an advance deployment force? Sneaky.

As for Marines, our closest analog really would be the CDOs.

meander SG

Sabotage and assualt definately sounds more fun then reeceing......runing and hiding from the enemy...all day long : ( ........

Assaulting BUA can actually be fun (sometimes). Attacking hills with dug in positions sucks. Getting there sucks even more.

Which is why I envy those in jungle hats. Even though they insert earlier, they have a lot of freedom.

meander SG

Bearzais, the Guards are more lightly equipped than the infantry. They are highly mobile, amphibious/airborne, flank screeners.

From what little I know about the Commandos, they do practice unconventional small unit tactics. A platoon is not a large force for most missions.multiple platoons.

Gds and Inf are very similar. Just that guards are trained in heli rappelling and have LSVs. Their weapon systems are the same. Neither are what I'd call "heavy infantry". I'll use that term for the Armored Inf because, well, they have a damn APC while the gds/inf have ... their SBOs.

Cdos appear, raid/sabotage, and exit. They don't hold ground.

Underpaid SG

In theory, yes, CDOs don’t hold ground, but in practice, you have to once in a while. You need a location for resupply, otherwise you’ll soon be shooting the universal round and eating snake for real, not to mention no person can actually keep hiking for 72 hrs straight with an extra heavy pack. Rubber legs when contacted isn’t a good thing. Blundering around in enemy territory actually also increases the risk of hitting an ambush, better to find a defendable location and rest for a bit.

alize SG

Assaulting BUA can actually be fun (sometimes). Attacking hills with dug in positions sucks. Getting there sucks even more.

Which is why I envy those in jungle hats. Even though they insert earlier, they have a lot of freedom.

Both are costly missions regardless of unit training and not SF missions.

I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit.

alize SG

I realise these questions will not get answered, but no harm asking right.

Is ADF a line unit or evaluation unit or both?

What is the size of ADF units? eg companies

What is the next higher HQ above ADF? eg brigade, if ADF is a brigade asset.

Underpaid SG

“I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit.”

True, which is why I call NSF CDOs bludgeons rather than SF.

No idea on ADF size or job scope, but I can confirm it’s not brigade asset or lower, so it’ll be division and above, and even so, which division? It screws up standard structure, so my bet is that it’s a GHQ level asset.

Wait, just remembered something, it may not even be a unit at all but groups of scattered experienced personnel. My last in-camp, my 2IC was ADF, but he was posted to my unit instead of a dedicated ADF unit. Maybe ADF really isn’t a unit but a designation, like SOF personnel posted to be CSM of other units, but when activated, goes back to parent unit?

alize SG

“I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit.”

True, which is why I call NSF CDOs bludgeons rather than SF.

What unit do reservist CDOs go to? I think a 6xx or 7xx battalion would be inf and guards. And I read 10 CDO is no longer existent.

Underpaid SG

Back to CDO reserves until ~35, then maybe MR? The high physical job guys tend to outpro a bit faster. Age = not so fit any more.

meander SG

ADF is an infantry unit. You could consider them an all regular somewhat elite infantry unit. They are stringent about who they take in.

alize SG

Of course, a professional general would conserve the least replacable resource.

A politician or a general's temptation is to lavish better units on a costly objective, in the vain hope of fewer dead and lower political cost.

alize SG

Not that a real political cost is incurred, just bragging rights.

alize SG

lol I like recce. Once you’re out of your OC’s sight, deploy hammock. Razz

Besides, recce can be fun once in a while, you get to use all the nice stuff like TI, NVGs, ground sensors, and call in air/arty strikes.

Beats running up and down a hill screaming your lungs out lol.

Back to ADF, you think there could actually be two ADFs? One a testing unit, the other an advance deployment force? Sneaky.

As for Marines, our closest analog really would be the CDOs.

Recce does those? I thought those were the secretive CLT or STORM types, all regulars, mostly officers.

Underpaid SG

They don’t have enough regulars for all that Razz

Also depends on how.. xiao on the reservists were.

But the ground sensors need a rethink.

48kg… man…

TI also needs to shrink down, if they can. Current ones are… well, remember Halo 2 when they 1st landed in New Mombassa on Earth? The sniper team spotter talking to them was using a TI unit. It’s fairly bulky. And noisy (cooling fan). And needs time to warm up.

alize SG

Orh......always thought guards were heavy inf like erm...... marines?...opps mine bad.......

I should clarify that Infantry are heavier than Guards in concept (they operate with more support from other arms) but not in equipment.

Except for 2 SIR since last year, every Infantry battalion has been mobile by tonner and their own two feet.

Underpaid SG

Except for 2 SIR since last year, every Infantry battalion has been mobile by tonner and their own two feet.

Since last year? Think all infantry have been mobile on their own two feet since the beginning of time. :P Won't be adverse to changing all the straight legs to mechanised infantry though.

alize SG

Yeah 2 SIR is the only Terrex ICV battalion declared ops to date. Others may follow suit if evaluation is favourable.

meander SG

Yeah 2 SIR is the only Terrex ICV battalion declared ops to date. Others may follow suit if evaluation is favourable.

I assume the Terrex ICV is some kinda vehicle? I suppose walking in the vegetation to the objective will be considered "old school" by the turn of this decade ...

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