Air Defence Ships

amanda.lu862 SG

Which ones do you favour?

UK Type 45

US Arleigh Burke

French Horizon Class

Chinese Luyang II

Hitman 2010 SG

which one can u afford to buy with yer salary?

amanda.lu862 SG

Can you bug off Hitman. You've been giving irrational answers to serious discussions

Hitman 2010 SG

no seriously im serious about it!!!there are people who own ships n jet planes with their salary.

which one can u afford with your salary.

Asromanista2001 SG

Which ones do you favour?

UK Type 45

US Arleigh Burke

French Horizon Class

Chinese Luyang II

air defence ship huh..........................S'pore should get the Japs to build the Yamato again................

how to beat the Yamato......................got around 180 AA guns leh.................

amanda.lu862 SG

That ship is gone

alize SG

Burke- cos it's also a space and missile defence ship.

Yamato- yeah, 180 slow firing, manually guided, AA guns without proximity fuzes.

amanda.lu862 SG

Burke- cos it's also a space and missile defence ship.

Yamato- yeah, 180 slow firing, manually guided, AA guns without proximity fuzes.

But the anti-ship capabilitiy of the Burke is limited even with Standard missiles for anti-ship use

Underpaid SG

Standard Missiles are not for anti-ship use.

And you did ask about a specialised air defence ship, right? If you wanted ship-killers you'd either need a general/balanced design or a specialised hunter-killer, not an air defence ship.

alize SG

Technically, a Gerald Ford-class does qualify...

what carrier? it's an aviation cruiser.

Underpaid SG

That class sounds familiar. Wasn't it the scrapped carrier program that started a big fight in the US Admiralty?

Underpaid SG

Woops, my bad, that was the USS United States. The Ford is still going strong and slated to replace the Nimitz class in the future. But why did you call it a cruiser, alise?

amanda.lu862 SG

Standard Missiles are not for anti-ship use.

And you did ask about a specialised air defence ship, right? If you wanted ship-killers you'd either need a general/balanced design or a specialised hunter-killer, not an air defence ship.

They are.Google or check wikipedia

alize SG

I'm embarassed to say I actually googled it and came up with this:

Designed to counter high-speed, high-altitude anti-ship cruise missiles.

Underpaid, it's a joke. If it has to be a cruiser, then technically carriers qualify under the Russian definition.

Anyway, if we consider the Burke class then we have to bring in the KDX-III, which has 16 fewer Mk41 cells but 32 more K-VLS cells for cruise missiles and VLS ASROC (meaning an overall 16 more Mk41 cells available for air defence, ie potentially 64 more ESSMs).

It even has a RAM launcher for point defence, but that shouldn't count towards it being an "air defence ship".

amanda.lu862 SG

It's a joke.

Underpaid SG

Using a SM as an AShM. Must be pretty desperate to do that. I can see how that can work, get it high up and have it go ballistic to the target, and let the KE warhead do the rest, but in all honesty, that is not what the SM class missiles were designed for. They were to be AEGIS missiles first and foremost.

For ship killing, there are more specialised designs that can do the job better as they were designed to kill ships from the start, like the Harpoon or Onyx. Look at the wiki article you pointed me to. None of the text stated that the RIM-161 was ever tested on ground targets.

amanda.lu862 SG

I know but unfortunately that's how the USNavy is deploying its weapons. No more Harpoons on AB destroyers. The Tico Cruisers do have Harpoons but they will be retired

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-67_Standard

Standard missiles have been fired as AShM during the 1980s.

alize SG

I know but unfortunately that's how the USNavy is deploying its weapons. No more Harpoons on AB destroyers. The Tico Cruisers do have Harpoons but they will be retired

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-67_Standard

Standard missiles have been fired as AShM during the 1980s.

Hot shit! The Standard was fired by a frigate, meaning to say with the retired Separate Target Illumination Radar that went out when SM-1 was taken off the US Perry class. It might not be possible on Aegis ships.

There's still hope that other Perry class operators will do this someday.

PS Tomahawks work in anti ship mode in place of Harpoons.

amanda.lu862 SG

There's still hope that other Perry class operators will do this someday.

PS Tomahawks work in anti ship mode in place of Harpoons.

The US Navy has removed all Harpoons from Perry Frigates.

yes , Tomahawk missiles have AS capbility but I dont think the variant is in massive production or stored on US Warships. An since it is a cruise missile it will have a diff flight path from say a Harpoon.

I think the US Navy has been over complacement with regards to its weaponary while powers like China have a well balanced load onboard--check out the weapons on the PLAN ships for example.

alize SG

The US Navy has removed all Harpoons from Perry Frigates.

I think the US Navy has been over complacement with regards to its weaponary while powers like China have a well balanced load onboard--check out the weapons on the PLAN ships for example.

Exactly. No US ASMs are even supersonic.

It bothers me that they are too politically correct to call the PLAN a threat as they see it. Or go straight to using an SSBN. That's the best air defence ship. Powers who don't play ball should know what its like to have a Trident up their a**.