Is F15 the right choice

weasel1962 SG

lol. Janes also claim Singapore operates the longshot wingkit and a host of other things. In reality, it was flightglobal who first mentioned that LM was offering the AAS-42 (and that was back in 2001) as part of the tigereyes suite.

However, what I do question is the designation cos LM's offering does not appear to be designated.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2002/LockheedMartinWins163MillionOrderFo.html

What LM does say is that

"The (current) IRST system enhances the capabilities of the F-14D AN/AAS-42 IRST that had been operational aboard U.S. aircraft carriers and accumulated over 200,000 flight hours."

Its a derivative, not static. But if you agree the AIM-120D is the same as the AIM-120A, then of course in the same basis, the IRST on the F-15 and F-18s must necessarily be the AAS-42 used on the F-14.

More important is your claim that the pirate is supposed to be superior to the F-15 IRST.

http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/PIRATE_dsh.pdf

Even selex doesn't claim as such. This you have not addressed.

As to your claim that the meteor has 5 times the range of the AIM-120D, I won't even bother to address that except to highlight that if the missile exceeds 300km which it would have to in order to exceed the range by 5 times, then MTCR will kick in and its export barred.

Equally important, IFF/target ID can't operate at that range. If one fires blind, neutral/civilian targets are at risk.

FYI, the AIM-120D is actually the export competitor/equivalent. Raytheon originally competed on the acronym FMRAAM. The idea was to provide an ERAAM+ (today known as the C-5, C-7 appears to be the ++ version) as an interim before the -D was actually developed. The meteor won the competition in 2000 cos the assessment was that the raytheon FMRAAM program was high risk but the amraam (eraam+) was nevertheless procured cos the Eurofighter would enter service before the meteor.

As to the AIM-120D being in low rate production, does not appear to be the case. It has replaced the C-7 production from lots 23 onwards and at my last count, 807 have been ordered for both navy and airforce.

As to the AIM-120D being over-budget, link pls. My understanding is behind schedule, yes. Above cost, no.

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/contract_detail.asp?contract_id=4655

As to the rsaf receiving the AIM-120D, well, don't expect the rsaf to receive the meteor before all the european partners first either.

There's a lot of hype surrounding the typhoon. Potential this, potential that but all is only potential. Sure, there could be even a potential stealth typhoon.

Yet, what is clear is that the F-15 not only has the major capabilities, those are already existing capabilities without it being a "potential".

F-15SE already incorporates stealth. The SG can be upgraded to the SE standard. The -SG can fire all the current munitions and will be equipped with those in development eg JDRADM/NCADE/MALD etc will similarly equip it. That is not a guarantee for the typhoon/rafale and even if it could, would be later.

Sure, the possibility that Matra may one day develop a 10000km ranged A2A ICBM with 100% accuracy that will be capable of being fired from the typhoon cannot be discounted in the future. The eurofighter consortium may even develop a stealth paint that makes the eurofighter invisible to radar, IR and every single medium. But that is only hot air at the moment. Acquisition decisions cannot be based on hot air.

As romanista2001 SG

Some interesting videos on the F15's 1st blood kills ever in the history. (on various selective weapons)

All the 1st blood ranking are from our big brother, ISRAEL AIR FORCE aka IAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7oYlhPIBUI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uqW6iWLdw4&feature=related

more horse crap from them................just like how ''effective'' their commandos were against penknife-wielding hijackers............or how ''brave'' their army was against stone-throwing Palestinian civilians..........

anyway, US weapons virtually free for them...................and free things are always good.............

Jack412 SG

in training exercises for countries, the f-15,16.18 play the red force and duplicate the regional threat aircraft

no weight should be given to these, an explanation on training

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/dissimilar-air-combat-training-dact-1157/

spartan_6 SG

Does SA-18A Igala sound american do u?

spartan_6 SG

E reason tat SG didnt not buy Typhoon is most likely becos it cant deliver on time, dun forget not all shedule r determind only by u.

Rafale on e other hand is becos @ tat time it does not come with AESA radar, France's reply 2 SG request for AESA radar is co-develpment tat means time n $

spartan_6 SG

E reason tat SG didnt not buy Typhoon is most likely becos it cant deliver on time, dun forget not all shedule r determind only by u.

Rafale on e other hand is becos @ tat time it does not come with AESA radar, France's reply 2 SG request for AESA radar is co-develpment tat means time n $

spencer99 SG

I do not want to debate whether the Typhoon is a 'better' aircraft compared to the F-15SG etc etc...

The fact of the matter is the RSAF is probably very risk adverse. To select an untested platform like the Typhoon during the selection time frame (2- years ago??) is probably too risky.

There were development issues with the a/c and it has only seen limited deployment in the 3 partner nations (UK, Germany, Italy).

I think it had subsequently achieved export sale to UAE, South Africa, Finland... etc...

I remembered at that point in time, during the competition, the Typhoon didn't even have air-to-ground software! like only available in Tranche 2 or something.... etc...

Air-to-ground is probably very important since we just retired a large batch of A4s.

Honestly, if you look at any potential adversary in the region, there is not much challenge to air superiority.... there is only like 2 to 4 Su-30 in Indonesia and at most 20 su-30s in Malaysia.....

spencer99 SG

Hi,

Sorry, I confused the export sale to Saudi Arabia for UAE...

weasel1962 SG

There are only 2 export orders for eurofighter. 72 for saudi (48 tranche 2, 24 tranche 3A) and 15 for austria (tranche 1 and order was cut from 18). Greece had previously ordered 60 and we can see today why the order was terminated.

South africa got the gripen, whilst Finland bought the hornet. As for UAE, they got the F-16 blk 60s but now looking at rafales for m-2000 replacement.

Delivery timeline now if rsaf bought would be tranche 2s. However, only later blk 15s of tranche 2 will incorporate meteor/storm shadow capability and litening pod. No LJDAMs, no sniper pods, no aesa and only AIM-120c-5 no c-7.

The problem is that the 4 partner nations have been steadily cutting their orders too. Orders are currently at 559 (including the 2 export orders) instead of 707 which was the original commitment (which is itself a cut from the original suggested buy numbers).

As usual, Eurofighter export potential includes almost every other country including malaysia (as proposed for the replacement sqn that was postponed).

storywolf SG

The add on IRST on F15 works great !!?? Good , you provide me the data !! Do you know where the IRST on the F15 is ??

"........when design time must have the equipment in mind .........." what on earth are you trying to explain ?? I cannot understand what you are saying man.

"Who is there to define the typhoon is in infancy and F-15 is at the limited of its potential ? " The Typhoon is new so its in its infancy. The F15 was conceived in the 1970s which was 40 years ago. Much much simpler can it get for you to understand this.

"Take the F-16 - they even have the XL version , which change the shape of the wings. That prove that if there is people willing to pay and continue investing - there is room for changes." So in your proof , tell me how many F 16 XLs are flying now ?

"F-15SG - as it have the newest radar and all the air-to-air and air-to-ground integrated & operation, based on your arugment f-15sg should be 2.0 version and typhoon still no AESA radar and still does not have some air-to-air and air-to-ground capbilities , version 1.0 ." Correct !!!! F15 SG is CRT TV Version 3.0 and Typhoon is LED TV Version 1.0.

So F-15 IRST is sticking outside - while typoon is inside. You mean to compare how good the IRST is - you judge by how much one dick is not sticking out ?

Typhoon was design with captor radar, and when it was design AESA radar does not exist. Thus we can agree that it was not design for AESA radar. But did that stop Typhoon from getting AESA radar ? No, planes are just platforms that have empty spaces on board for you to put various equipment on it. Does not mean when you first design it - the equipment must die die be design in. One thing F-15 does have more room for various equipment.

F-16XL did not get the needed fundings that why cancel - that also say, that sometime new design , may not offer enough performance different that much that people willing to pay for them.

F-15 has full capability while Typhoon still have lots of weapons cannot use ? Look like your typhoon version have a lot more catching up. !!!

Joe Black SG

One also forgets that SniperXR also has an IRST function and can function as one. Thus the podded F-15SG has better passaive targetting and detection system than the Typhoons and Rafales.

Sepecat SG

There is also no stopping Typhoons & Rafales from carrying SniperXR or similar pods.

But Typhoon, Rafale, SU30,MIG29 and F35 all have IRST already integrated into the airframe ; they are not podded. Primary role of these integrated IRSTs are for Air to Air role. Primary role of podded systems are for Air to Ground role.

Sepecat SG

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o So F-15 IRST is sticking outside - while typoon is inside. You mean to compare how good the IRST is - you judge by how much one dick is not sticking out ?

Dear Storywolf,

Since you brought up issue of your dick ( & in case you have not noticed ), there is a big difference between your dick & an IRST. IRST is a passive device while your dick is a highly active ( hopefully ) one.

All the new gen fighters have their IRSTs ( as opposed to exposed dicks ) built into the airframe design. Oh …. by the way, is your dick integrated into your frame or is it also podded ( or shud I say strapped on ) ??

Back in the days when the US thought that the gun was no longer needed in fighters, podded guns had to be introduced to make up the deficit. In the same vein, as IRSTs are now becoming extremely more capable, they are from the onset built into the new gen airframes . So for old gen aircraft without this capability, a podded system fills the need without having to modify the airframe. It is an expedient solution to a pressing need.

You are an extremely confused person and I offer you my heartfelt sympathies. Clearly, one cannot accommodate a piece of equipment into the original design if it cud not be foreseen or does not exist at the time. This is obvious.

But planes are not merely platforms that have empty spaces for you to put various equipment into as you naievely believe. First , we are discussing not just a plane ; we are discussing a fighter - I do believe that you are not thinking of having an A380 filled up with AESA, pods and other appendages ; after all an A380 is an airplane and has vast amounts of space compared to an F15 right ?

F-16XL did not get the needed fundings that why cancel - that also say, that sometime new design , may not offer enough performance different that much that people willing to pay for them.

We are talking about the aerodynamic performance here and again it is

clear that 1970s vintage aerodynamic design cannot be better than

current designs so apparent in the new gen fights such as Typhoon, Rafale,

SU30, F35 etc

The F16 XL is a good example of not being able to modify a fighter's

aerodymamic performance at a reasonable cost.

F-15 has full capability while Typhoon still have lots of weapons cannot use ? Look like your typhoon version have a lot more catching up. !!!

Like I said several times - there is no doubt the F15 SG or K is highly

capable & probably is the best multirole fighter in existence today.

However, the new gen fighters such a s Typhoon which although designed

primarily for the air to air superiority role during their inception will most

likely eclipse 1970s vintage F15s.

Typhoon or Rafale equipped with Meteor will clearly make F15s dead

meat in the BVR combat arena. With room to grow , Typhoon and who

knows Rafale may make them the most capable multirole aircraft in the

future & with an unbeatable air to air BVR capability to boot.

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Sepecat SG

Dear Weasel,

I also do think that even highly reputable publications such as Janes ( & many other publications including FlightGlobal ) do make some errors in reporting – occassionaly. But how do you know what is reported in incorrect ?

However, what I do question is the designation cos LM's offering does not appear to be designated.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2002/LockheedMartinWins163MillionOrderFo.html

What LM does say is that

"The (current) IRST system enhances the capabilities of the F-14D AN/AAS-42 IRST that had been operational aboard U.S. aircraft carriers and accumulated over 200,000 flight hours."

More important is your claim that the pirate is supposed to be superior to the F-15 IRST.

See what I mean , the reference above to AN/AAS-42 is from 2002. That is quite a long time ago. AN/AAS-42 was developed long before 2002.

http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/PIRATE_dsh.pdf

Even selex doesn't claim as such. This you have not addressed.

They do not need to make such a claim. Do you see any BMW adverts to claim that a BMW is superior to a Skoda ?

I am seeing an increasing number of confused persons in this forum.

Again , I have to extend my deepest sympathies to your state of mind.

The MTCR was initiated in response to the increasing proliferation of

weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Or are you saying that Meteor is a WMD ???

I am not making the claim that Meteor outranges AIM120 by a factor of 5

Janes is - See IDR Dec 2008 issue. You want to dispute Janes ? Please feel

free to do so as I do not have any objections.

Meteor out ranges AIM 120 by a very wide margin as is commonly

known. Various margins have been reported and they range from 3 to

5 ( as has been reported in Janes ). So do you dispute that Meteor is not

vastly superior in range to AIM 120 ?

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Equally important, IFF/target ID can't operate at that range. If one fires blind, neutral/civilian targets are at risk.

Ever heard of AWAC, NCTR, IFF, data links, EW , data fusion …………………??

As to the AIM-120D being over-budget, link pls. My understanding is behind schedule, yes. Above cost, no.

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/contract_detail.asp?contract_id=4655

Weasel , your link just provided the additional proof that AMRAAM is suffering from a cost & schedule overrun – see below for an extract from your link. It also shows that AMRAAM is also experiencing development problems.

“ The Phase IV AMRAAM SDD program is currently in a cost and schedule overrun. Continuing delays in resolving developmental hardware issues and less-than-expected effectiveness in flight test execution are the primary reasons for the SDD program being behind schedule. The current forecast date for the functional configuration audit is no 30 April 09, ten months later than planned with a contract completion date of 30 June 09. The schedule extension increased the contract cost by approximately 10 percent, which is available with the existing program budget.”

As to the rsaf receiving the AIM-120D, well, don't expect the rsaf to receive the meteor before all the european partners first either.

You are right. But did I say that RSAF will have priority to receive Meteor even if it wanted to purchase it ? So when will AIM120 D be released for RSAF use ? I did not know the RSAF will be receiving AIM 120 Ds - please show some proof.

There's a lot of hype surrounding the typhoon. Potential this, potential that but all is only potential. Sure, there could be even a potential stealth typhoon. You hit the nail exactly on the head. I too believe that there cud be a potential for stealth Typhoon - maybe call it Silent Typhoon – that will a great name you think ?

Believe me , there is even more hype in the potential for 1970s F15s.

Yet, what is clear is that the F-15 not only has the major capabilities, those are already existing capabilities without it being a "potential".

My thoughts exactly, thanks. But please don’t forget to delete the Typhoon -like BVR capabilities as there is no possiblity of this happening for the F15.

In life there are no guarantees. What I can guarantee though is that at the moment there is no US equivalent to Meteor - not even on the drawing board - unless it is a black project of course.

There are degrees of stealth. Applying some radar absorbent paint will definitely make an aircraft - any aircraft - more stealthy - 1 % better ?

An ICBM is not an AAM - see what I mean when I said earlier that you are confused. From the time you wrote the first line to the last line of your reply , your mental condition has deteriorated faster than a speeding Meteor.

You know, a paint to make a plane invisible may not be in the realm of science fiction after all. I hope that you are right and that Eurofighter comes out with this paint in the future. Maybe it can then be applied to the F 15 so that it has a chance to match Typhoon’s capabilities in the far away future.

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weasel1962 SG

Just wanted to clarify some points.

The missile technology control regime governs missile technology transfer. Whilst prevention of WMDs spread is one of its objects, arguing that missile technology used for A2A can be distinguished from A2G is incorrect. This is more evident with tech like the JDRADM which has dual use. Even UAVs fall under the ambit of delivery systems within the concern of the MTCR. To say that A2A missile tech aren't covered is incorrect. It applies equally.

With respect to the AIM-120D release to rsaf, the C-7 has been released to the F-15SG. I would like to ask how many meteor or C-7 has been released to typhoon operators as of today? Yet another potential? The answer would address the question.

In 1982, UK requested and US released the AIM-9L which was then not cleared for export yet for use in the falklands war. Whilst SG may not have bought the -D yet, does it preclude rsaf from requesting if the need arises? We can't exactly request for the meteor right now, isn't it......

The answer to the question as to when the AIM-120D will be bought by the rsaf is as clear as the date in which meteor would have been bought by the rsaf if rsaf had selected the typhoon.

As to Amraam cost overrun, the words used is that it is over-budget (see page 2). I'm merely highlighting that "over-budget" is incorrect. There is a difference between higher cost, and over-budget. The aim of any program is to minimise cost but being on-budget with a higher cost than expected is very different from being over-budget. Just look at the A-400M program. Whilst cost has exceeded estimates, it is still within budget for the aim-120d program. That is a feat in today's procurement world.

Going back to reason why this is being discussed, using budgeted figures for the Aim-120D (even with the cost overruns) would suggest that the 120D would be cheaper to procure than the meteor. That is further supported by official links (accessible in wiki at the pages covering the two missiles), which suggest a difference in price by a factor of two.

As to range, it was mentioned that the meteor outranged the AIM-120D by the multiple of 5. "by a multiple of 5" is ordinarily interpreted as 5 times longer range. If this is incorrect, do share what is the correct interpretation. Now if you had used the word "factor", then what "factor" means may have been a bit more debatable.

This is different from a mere claim of longer range. Having said that, I doubt if anyone would be in a position to actually claim that, seeing that range is generally classified for the missiles.

As to the definition of ICBM, whilst not necessarily ballistic, a 10,000km ranged AAM would certainly qualify as inter-continental. As it was intended as a tongue in cheek response, I took the liberty of highlighting that there is no reason why nuke-tipped AAMs could not be a missile of the future, esp when we are merely talking about are potential capabilities. If they could put nukes onto ASMs and ASW weapons, certainly no reason why it can't be done for AAMs in the future. If one thinks it is ridiculous, it merely highlights how ridiculous talking about potential can get.

Whilst we're at it, might as well add laser-beam x-wing typhoon. Boeing's recent laser capability successes certainly makes the tech likely to be adopted in the typhoon rather than the F-15. Once that's integrated, it will make the X-wing typhoon the top of its class. Fantastic. Too bad the rsaf never got the typhoon? lol :p

Seriously, arguing that the typhoon is going to be better than the F-15 cuts little ice. Still have not read anything objective that remotely suggests the typhoon has a distinct advantage over the F-15SG yet (with emphasis on "distinct" and caveats on differing interpretations of what "distinct" means) or will be in the near future (even with the introduction of meteor).

Sepecat SG

o Just wanted to clarify some points.

Dear Weasel,

Just wanted to say that according to MTCR website , their aim is to restrict proliferation of missiles, rockets, UAV & related technology capable of carrying 500 kg payload at least 300 km. Clearly, MTCR’s primary aim is to restrict WMD.

Therefore, your claim that Meteor is covered by MTCR is extremely tenuous to say the least.

C7 is now the current production standard being delivered for all export customers authorized to receive them, including F15SG.

C5 was current standard starting in the early 2000s.

C5s are no longer the standard being manufactured in the production lines , only C7s.

It is not an issue of C7s being released or not to Typhoons. Current AIM 120 equipped Typhoons may have only C5s simply because these were procured during the earlier production lots. NATO partners will also receive C7s when they place new orders.

You and everyone else know darn well that Meteor is still in development, so asking how many Meteors are being released to anyone is a darn stupid question.

Firstly UK is the USA’s strongest ally - I do not know about Singapore.

Who says that AIM 120 D may not be available to SG in future ?

You belittle the RSAF when you ask SG to request for a weapon like Meteor when it is still only in development and is currently planned to equip European fighters at the moment. Only an idiot will make such a request.

The answer to the question as to when the AIM-120D will be bought by the rsaf is as clear as the date in which meteor would have been bought by the rsaf if rsaf had selected the typhoon.

Shud RSAF want to purchase AIM 120 Ds , Meteors etc the decision to sell it to SG is clearly in the hands of other countries to make them available or not. We can only make a request. So unless you have privileged information, no one knows – do you ?

No need to go to such lengths to stretch the pure & simple fact that “ over – budget “ plainly means there is a cost overrun. So they blew the budget.

The only feat I can see is that you are oblivious to the plain truth.

Cheaper does not mean better when Meteor can blow your aircraft out of the sky at 5 times the range that you can do with a AIM 120. If true, believe you me, RSAF will be clamoring for Meteor when there is no such other equivalent available.

In fact , they can actually purchase only half what they planned for with AIM 120 D ( which you claim is already slated for RSAF use soon ) & still keep “within budget” - unlike AIM120D.

AIM 120 D

Like I said , please ask Janes – they reported it - I have already provided you with the reference - please check it out. Meteor has also been reported to have at least a 160 km range. Now tell me is that much longer ranged than AIM120 ? It is not inconceivable that Meteor has a much longer range than earlier reported or claimed.

This is different from a mere claim of longer range. Having said that, I doubt if anyone would be in a position to actually claim that, seeing that range is generally classified for the missiles.

I believe that the developers of Meteor know what they are talking about , or do you think that they are also lying.

If they could put nukes onto ASMs and ASW weapons, certainly no reason why it can't be done for AAMs in the future. If one thinks it is ridiculous, it merely highlights how ridiculous talking about potential can get.

Nuke air to air weapons such as Genie are consigned to history. Obviously no potential here.

What's a “ laser-beam x-wing typhhon ” ? Are you now using sci fi for your arguments ?

You mean ABL ? That’s on a 747 or are you saying that this can also be fitted into a fighter soon ?

Never got the Typhoon ? Like I said maybe RSAF shud - one day.

You are the one who needs to be serious . Please don’t use

sci fi or magic in your arguments.

Either you have not been reading enough or you are reading

only US literature.

Look out for the future Silent Typhoon , Meteor-D………….X

................. see, no magic or sci fi here

storywolf SG

Sepecat

You are the confused person - on one hand you argue that planes must have equipment design in on from the start. And criticise me for saying that planes are platform - that with right space new tech can be upgrade. Then you ownself suddenly justify that it is ok that typoon did not have AESA design in - later can fill it in as equipment .

What with that Pirate is newer so must better ? is that a acceptable arguement can have facts and figure or how better it is in range of figures ?

weasel1962 SG

In respect of the MTCR, I think our positions differ and therefore I will leave it as that.

With respect to the C-7, my purpose for highlighting it is that it is available now for the F-15SG and no typhoon user has acquired it yet ;)

As to the availability of meteor, you need to get your arguments straight. Are you claiming that the rsaf should get the typhoon with the meteor or not. Stating that the rsaf can't get the typhoon because it is in development undermines your argument that the rsaf should get the typhoon. It also undermines the claim that the rsaf can't get the AIM-120D, esp when the AIM-120D is in production.

As to your claim that the developer of the meteor has stated it has a longer range than the AIM-120D, link pls. I'm not holding my breath for a response.

As to your claim that they blew the budget on the amraam, we have obviously differing ways of reading the below.

"The schedule extension increased the contract cost by approximately 10 percent, which is available with the existing program budget.”

As to your claim that the pirate is better, I'm not holding my breath for a technical response here either.

So far, I have only read that the typhoon is better because you say so. It would be nice to read some technical responses on why this is so.

lionnoisy SG

e simple question--

what Model of computer is currently used in F 35 and F 15 SG?

F 35--Plentium 4, mainframe, 486, 386?

(contract may be as early as 1980's)

F 15 SG--P4?(contract signed in 2006)

I am not insulting the west.

May I remind u that F35 contract was signed in 1996!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

The Joint Strike Fighter evolved out of several requirements for a common fighter to replace existing types. The actual JSF development contract was signed on 16 November 1996.

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The very powerful western fighters are still in drawing boards!!

F 22 are not built any more, after the current contracts run out.

Only abt 180 units would be build , instead of the projected over 600 units.

F 35--wow!! u have to wait until at least 2015 before some top brass

dare to certify that it reach FOC!!

In 2009, only 10 % of the scheduled F 35 tests have been completed.

Did they dare to test F 35 with full weapons loading and full fuel loads

to test maneuver, range , weapons accuracy, radar capabilty etc?.

U name it.

They dare not test F35 in realistic way. They just do in desk top!!--

by computer simulations etc,

Will u buy a one million dollar sports car but test in in

simulator ?

F 15 SG is like Chinese say--

one bird in hand is better than 10 birds in the bushes!

Western think they have 100 birds. But how many can they catch

at the end of the day?

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Before u sleep, can u think why so many BIG projects get into troubles

----F 22

---A 400M

---F 35

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Too much ambitimous is just a joke.

Technology change a lot in 10 years, not to mention 20 years.

F15 SG, just take 7 years from signing contract to delivery

--2006 to 2012!!

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why F 15 SG need this spear head angle in rear wing-

expert pl correct my term!

- [ 翻译此页 ]Test models of the F-35 completed only 10 percent of their scheduled sorties in 2009, he said. As tests continue, problems will be uncovered and "there's ...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

kkk

Atobe SG

Only the foolishness of a very noisy pussy will attempt to display its ignorance in its usual very loud ways.

e simple question--

what Model of computer is currently used in F 35 and F 15 SG?

F 35--Plentium 4, mainframe, 486, 386?

(contract may be as early as 1980's)

F 15 SG--P4?(contract signed in 2006)

I am not insulting the west.

May I remind u that F35 contract was signed in 1996!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

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Since the Atom N450 processor is about the latest proven processor - will the pussy be happy to accept the F-15SG to be fitted with a few of these cheap chips to keep the costs down for the RSAF ?

Or will the noisy pussy be happily silence to have an Acer laptop fitted with an Intel- i7 processor to fly the F-15SG ?

The very powerful western fighters are still in drawing boards!!

F 22 are not built any more, after the current contracts run out.

Only abt 180 units would be build , instead of the projected over 600 units.

With the technologies built into the F22 Raptors being so sensitive that prevent any to be exported, and with the ‘cost of the F22 Raptor’ - including R&D costs added to the building costs - resulting in an acquistion price tag of US$339 million per aircraft - does the pussy expect a near bankrupt USA to continue to acquire more of these aircrafts instead of redirecting the tight budget for other hardwares related to current requirements ?

F 35--wow!! u have to wait until at least 2015 before some top brass

dare to certify that it reach FOC!!

In 2009, only 10 % of the scheduled F 35 tests have been completed.

Did they dare to test F 35 with full weapons loading and full fuel loads

to test maneuver, range , weapons accuracy, radar capabilty etc?.

U name it.

They dare not test F35 in realistic way. They just do in desk top!!--

by computer simulations etc,

Will u buy a one million dollar sports car but test in in

simulator ?

With the brain of the noisy pussy buried in the Prehistoric Age - what does it know of the computer tests that will help to identify the aerodynamics and kinks of new technologies used to design, build and test aircrafts ?

The noisy pussy can be left to perform its destructive tests to determine the durability of its skin - if only it learn to take note and learn from the strife that it has been put through in this electronic forum.

Unfortunately, its existence remains in the Stone Age and require alot more stoning before it can accept that without any gestation period - can anything be born ?

Perhaps its poor intelligence is a result of the very short gestation period that it has been through that caused it to be what it can only be in its present form.

F 15 SG is like Chinese say--

one bird in hand is better than 10 birds in the bushes!

Western think they have 100 birds. But how many can they catch

at the end of the day?

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Before u sleep, can u think why so many BIG projects get into troubles

----F 22

---A 400M

---F 35

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Too much ambitimous is just a joke.

The intelligence of a noisy pussy can surely create an 'ambitimous joke' that only can be understood by its own warped sense of humor.

Without the western technological efforts that began when those aircraft designs took shape back when they began - will Singapore have the chance to fly the F-15SG ?

Technology change a lot in 10 years, not to mention 20 years.

F15 SG, just take 7 years from signing contract to delivery

--2006 to 2012!!

Singapore was fortunate to have the F-15SG in seven years - has the noisy pussy been able to see that the F-15 took more then the last 20 years to have reached its present form available to the RSAF as the F-15SG ?

As matters stand - the noisy pussy would have done better for its own self-worth if it learn to be less noisy and learn from the ongoing exchange of those having more knowledgeable than its useless noisy self - instead of attempting to make a grand stand statement of its own stooooopeedity.

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why F 15 SG need this spear head angle in rear wing-

expert pl correct my term!

Will it make a difference if it was used to spear a noisy lion and reduce it to the size of a pussy ?

- [ 翻译此页 ]Test models of the F-35 completed only 10 percent of their scheduled sorties in 2009, he said. As tests continue, problems will be uncovered and "there's ...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

kkk

Pussies can provide a good meal for a hungry eagle.

It is better for a noisy pussy to keep its pussy safe and stay indoors when the eagle is out hunting.

Watch out for that spear that you know nothing about.

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