Wedgetails delayed

last SG · 2008-11-28T18:58:41+00:00

hmm but arent business jets more costly to operate if you compare to a 737 ? i.e, there are several hundred 737s flying all over the world, and with airasia...

weasel1962 SG

The Australian reports that Lincoln Lab's assessment is that no fundamental problems. Flight training may begin later this year.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25504381-31477,00.html

lionnoisy SG

wow..no joke...cancel this project???

2. DMO's General Manager, Programs Warren King said in a hearing:

The extreme of that is that we recommend cancelling the program.

WHY U WANT A WEDGETAIL OR A GULF STREAM ?

WHAT U NEED ARE CHEAP LONG RANGE ROBOTS WHO CAN THINK N FLY .BUYING A $40 NUT AND BOLT DUN MAKE U EFFECTIVE IN COMBAT OR RECON MISSIONS.

HEY LION NOISY!!U ARE NOT TRAINED IN ENGINEERING FROM LOOKS OF THINGS BUT RATHER U R JUST FIGURING OUT HIGH TECH THE HARD NEWBIE WAY!MAN...FROM WAY THING S ARE GOIN WITH U AROUND,,,ITS GOIN TO BE EXPENSIVE AND TIME WASTING AS WELL!

TIME IS SOMETHING U DUN HAVE.

Hi i refer to all your postings.

A JC student can tel u Wedgetail air drag is higher than the GS lah.

2.Oz is very brave to use the first of class configuration.Very brave,if not stupid.

Oz have to wait another 2 more years for its FOC,alreday running more than

3 years late.OMG?How should u deal a project 5 years late?

U should put the heads of the officers in charge on the top of radar!!

The consequences is currently,there is no AEW for Oz,neither air tankers!!

3.Oz just depend the big ocean and prayings as a barrier for invaders !!

Patrick Walters, National security editor

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html

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http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/348655

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/737aewc/

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Dunt keh kiang!!

lionnoisy SG

I dunt know if Oz gavamna claim any damages fr few main contractors

for the dealy.If not,why?

lionnoisy SG

read fr BS here abt the project in the past.

lionnoisy SG

wow..no joke...cancel this project???

29 Apr 2009

The possibility was revealed by the DMO's General Manager, Programs Warren King, at last week's hearing of the Senate Defence and Foreign Affairs committee.

He said: "If it has no future there is no point going forward with it.

"Bluntly speaking - is there a future or not for this technology?

"The extreme of that is to recommend to cancel the program."

The cancellation of the project, which is the linchpin of the country' s NCW military strategy, would lead to enormous problems for the country's defence planners.

A decision is expected in the June to September period.

Problems include persistent clutter in the radar and integration of the systems.

Testing of the system in the north of Australia at the moment is ‘encouraging', according to a source close to the program.

Details of the MIT Lincoln Lab report are also on the horizon.

Whether they will be released publicly for the punters remains to be seen.

Fingers crossed.

full text here.i like full and official records.

- www.aph.gov.au/Hansard/joint/commttee/J11876.pdf

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lionnoisy SG

CHAIR —When did that happen?

Mr King —I think it was implemented in November or December last year. I will have to check the date. It was either very late last year or very early this year. Boeing reported to us that that has reinvigorated them because it has given them a path forward; it has given them a few to the horizon about how they can complete this program. There were a number of undertakings on both sides in that step aside. One of them is that Boeing bring the aircraft to Australia for what we are calling an operational utility demonstration.

One of the questions in our minds was that the aircraft was being tested in the United States, in United States environmental conditions and in United States climate condition. In order to understand its operational utility as opposed to the technical specification that you can measure, it is coming to Australia either later this month or early next month for a period of testing and for operational evaluations in an Air Force exercise. So it will be here for I think nearly two weeks. If you like I will get you the details.

The purpose of that is to get a sense of that operational utility of the Wedgetail system. We are also doing a number of other formal tests and trials. There is an ongoing and accelerated program in the United States and we have inducted other aircraft into that program. The intention of the deed was that in June we would take into consideration the Lincoln Laboratory reports, the operational utility demonstration, and the test trials program, the formal test and trials program in the United States to make a determination on the way forward for the project.

Bluntly speaking, is there a future? My concern is whether there is a future for this technology. The extreme of that is that we recommend cancelling the program. The other side of that program is that it has deficiencies. We understand those deficiencies but there is a path to move forward that will involve settlements and a number of other issues. There is a viable and competent capability that has a long-term future and that is of value to the Australian Defence Force.

My view of that is that even that program is challenged. People are reporting what you would call stability, that is, that the systems that are working together are failing; they are not working in a stable way for long periods. Normally, if you go back to things like the Collins experience, those things tend to correct with time. You keep reworking your software until you get that out. Normally it is a correctable situation. It seems to me that although we are all working towards this end of June date to make this decision, we may not have enough data at that point.

We are certainly encouraging Boeing, and I know that Boeing are working with their staff at Northrop Grumman to meet that date, but it seems to me that it may well be July, August or September before we have enough information to make that decision. That is my immediate response to you. I would be happy to take any more specific questions on it.

Jack412 SG

The Australian reports that Lincoln Lab's assessment is that no fundamental problems. Flight training may begin later this year.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25504381-31477,00.html

i'm afraid lion hasn't the brain power to understand what you have posted, he hasnt followed the time line of the Lincoln Lab's assessment and the recent australian field trials, instead he posts old material, there are several countries that want to order and have been waiting for boeing to "get it right" i'm sure this news will be good for them

even in amongst lions lunatic rant was a link with all the information need

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html

lionnoisy SG

even in amongst lions lunatic rant was a link with all the information need

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html

my fren,u just read the news and buy their story.Have u heard any officail say

the following for a project which alreday made in the half way,that is 2 or 3 planes under conversion and he say CANCELLING THE PROGRAMME.

pl read the my last post.

Jack412 SG

i have no reason to change my last post, you arent keeping up with the time line of events, in particularly recent Lincoln labs and the darwin testing as i have already told you

here is a " two months later than your link " senate committee JUNE 2009 and things have progressed even since then, it is very unlikely the project will be canned and is on track with a probable initial delivery in november this year for continued development of the software by boeing with australian overview

FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE LEGISLATION COMMITTEE ESTIMATES JUNE 2009
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s12062.pdf

""The positive message that I would like you to get is that we have worked through with MIT Lincoln Labs. Mr King highlighted the fact that they identified that the basic stability and underpinnings of the radar are sound and provide a basis of our addressing the shortfalls that we expect in the short to medium term""

Jack412 SG

you remind me of an old proverb

" who is more foolish, the fool or the person who tries to reason with him "

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Well if you see some of lionnoisy's brainwaves and big ideas you'll get a rough idea of what reality means to him. Basically he's a bad-news-filter when it comes to Australia, and a good-news-filter when it comes to Singapore.

Which is half bad if he wasn't so illogical about it, even if something happens the way he does not like it, he'll cling to his own point of view, stick his fingers into his ears, and sing "la la la I cannot hear you" for as long as he can. You can present all the evidence you want to him, but of course, one can bring a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.

So nowadays Idon't even bother to read his post, just carpet bomb them like the B1B Lancer dropping JADAMs on transformers in the movie.

Anyway here are some of his half-baked ideas:

And there's far more...

By the way lionnoisy actually has NO military experience at all to speak of, besides simply messing around with the AR-15 who knows where. When asked about his military experience in NS, he has always been quiet... but unfortunately for him I found an old post, one of the first he made where he declares that he does not really know much about anything military in terms of practical experience.

Which is not surprising, given the way he writes about stuff generally indicates he has absolutely no practical experience whatsoever, as well as such a detachment from reality that he learns nothing from what he reads and his repeated pwning here.

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