Oz & SG are very close in no. of naval missiles launchers

last SG · 2009-01-20T12:23:00+00:00

Btw lionnoisy, that pole at the back of the oz sub is a state of the art poo shooter.

lionnoisy SG

Lionnoisy, what is so difficult about the upgrades? They are just replacing some missiles, adding RAM for point defence, and possibly Sonar. It's really a "poor man's Aegis" ship. Not comparable to a full fledged Aegis destroyer with radars facing outward and not rotated.

The Hobart class "air defence destroyer" (borderline destroyer really) is the one to really look at.

u seem have a high hope for Hobart.read this

Lionnoisy's War against Everything Australian: Hobart DDGs last

pl note my original thread have been changed without my consent--

I remember it like---

A$8 billions for 3 Oz Hobart class Air Warfare Destroyers

How many war ships and commercial ships in this class

have been made in Australia?

I know only ANZAC,Adelaide class frigates and the Collins class sub!!

One or two ANZAC were said defective and get early decommission.

Collins sub..U read their official report.if i tell u ,i will be labelled as

anti--oz.

slim10 SG

I wonder if SEALs are trained for underwater limpet mine attachments. Reminds me of Italian attack on UK BBs at Alexandria during WW2.

lionnoisy SG

The most authoritative comments is---

Janes Fighting Ship 2008/09 comments

In the Excutive Summary--

....Both designs@@ are selected in favour of highly competitive alternatives but,taking into capacity,technical risk and affordabilty,

lion note:mean AWD and LHD,two amphibious ships worth

another total of (another )$3 billion.

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little disagreement that right decision was made.---

i dunt know wat to say.

Janes is not 100% perfect nor they have crystal ball.

It is very rare for Jane's to use such strong words

to put their heads in the chopping board.

I guess they judge the track recoreds of oz in managing military projects.

What will they get if the project go smooth?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

u seem have a high hope for Hobart.read this

Lionnoisy's War against Everything Australian: Hobart DDGs last

pl note my original thread have been changed without my consent--

I remember it like---

A$8 billions for 3 Oz Hobart class Air Warfare Destroyers

How many war ships and commercial ships in this class

have been made in Australia?

I know only ANZAC,Adelaide class frigates and the Collins class sub!!

One or two ANZAC were said defective and get early decommission.

Collins sub..U read their official report.if i tell u ,i will be labelled as

anti--oz.

Again, you display the need for a lobotomy because your puny brain is insufficient to process relevant information effectively.

By that same argument, we shouldn't even try to produce stealth frigates, since these are the first frigates we made. The Australian shipbuilding industry is ahead of us, didn't ya know? We can't produce submarines, ya? Because it will cost billions to build the facility to construct them?

lionnoisy SG

Again, you display the need for a lobotomy because your puny brain is insufficient to process relevant information effectively.

We KNOW WE CANNOT,so we dunt make sub.What are the consquences of

oz Made in Oz sub?Have u read history of oz official reports on Collins class sub?

Have Oz officially declared any Collins sub reaching Full Operational Capacity?

2.Singapore seem on par with Canadian navy in no. of launchers.

pl note I cannnot compare the range,accuracy ,response time,

quality of maintenances etc in these 2 navies.

This is just a back of envelope comparsions--just comparing no.

of launchers.I am NOT saying any navy is worse than RSN.

Just feel suprised that in term of surface combatants ,

SG's 23 ships is not far behind Canada's 27!!

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/1/1_eng.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_class_frigate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_class_destroyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_class_patrol_vessel

http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Naval_Equipment---all ships are listed here

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sgstars SG

*YAWN*

until today the idiot lionnoisy still cannot tell the difference between a FOC and IOC and that the collins class is in operational service ?

or simply running out of ideas and flogging dead horses eh ?

stop your oz bashing. MODs, please do your stuff. this is clearly and plainly no longer within any acceptable boundaries for a discussion. its quite adequately gone into country bashing territory (why does that seem so familiar ?)

this has become a why-lionnoisy-hates-australia-and-repeatedly-comes-up-with-dead-horse-rant-which-have-been-refuted thread

does lionnoisy have a brain ? apparently not.

does lionnoisy need a lobotomy ? if the above statement were true, it would be metaphorical and the second statement , practical

does lionnoisy have logic when he has no brain (metaphorically speaking) and needs a lobotomy (practically speaking) ? logically no.

does logic still apply to lionnoisy when he dosent have a logic ? apparently no, you cant understand something that dosent exist

should lionnoisy be subjected to logically nice and civil treatment accorded to anyone who engages in logical discussions ? no. assuming the previous statement is accurate.

therefore,

GO FUCK YOURSELF LIONNOISY.

you dont play by the rules, you dont deserve treatment by the rules.

you think you can fuck around here when no one makes a serious effort to stem the tide of your bullshit ? you thought fucking wrong.

please kindly think before you post. I'd be watching you. I will HUNT YOU DOWN for every single post of bullshit. spare this forum your nonsense. or no one will spare you the most whoop-ass flaming you've ever seen.

so how did ya do for your O levels ? enjoyed flunking them ?

lionnoisy SG

*YAWN*

until today the idiot lionnoisy still cannot tell the difference between a FOC and IOC and that the collins class is in operational service ?

or simply running out of ideas and flogging dead horses eh ?

this has become a why-lionnoisy-hates-australia-and-repeatedly-comes-up-with-dead-horse-rant-which-have-been-refuted thread

does lionnoisy have a brain ? apparently not.

does lionnoisy need a lobotomy ? if the above statement were true, it would be metaphorical and the second statement , practical

does lionnoisy have logic when he has no brain (metaphorically speaking) and needs a lobotomy (practically speaking) ? logically no.

does logic still apply to lionnoisy when he dosent have a logic ? apparently no, you cant understand something that dosent exist

should lionnoisy be subjected to logically nice and civil treatment accorded to anyone who engages in logical discussions ? no. assuming the previous statement is accurate.

therefore,

GO FUCK YOURSELF LIONNOISY.

you dont play by the rules, you dont deserve treatment by the rules.

you think you can fuck around here when no one makes a serious effort to stem the tide of your bullshit ? you thought fucking wrong.

so how did ya do for your O levels ? enjoyed flunking them ?

So far,ASC only list out that __

http://www.asc.com.au/aspx/about_us_history.aspx

2004

The RAN accepted ‘operational release’ of the six Collins Class submarines on 3 March 2004, representing formal acceptance of the Class into naval service and acknowledgement of the submarines’ ability to achieve defined operational outcomes.---EOQ

oh sorry I am damn wrong.U are right.Australian still not yet declared that

Collins sub in IOC nor FOC!!

Just ‘operational release’

2.My gurantee made here few months ago still stand.That is---

If any one can prove Collins have been declared FOC,i will stop

posting here for some time,say 3 weeks!!

So far,no one can give me damn hard evidences.Just BS!!

3.This is not related to hate of Oz.There is far more important issue here.

Singaporean just rely too much on hear says!!

4.read this

The problems were so serious and persistent that a major public report was commissioned by CSIRO head Malcolm Mcintosh and former BHP managing director John Prescott.

5.Can u read summary and come back and talk here?

lionnoisy SG

http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/1999/collins.html

^ ^a ^b "Report to the Minister for Defence on the Collins Class Submarine and Related Matters - June 20, 1999".

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Yes yes, lam pah longer. So? Now what? You gonna walk around with your pants down?

lionnoisy SG

Deleted by mod.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Oh for crying out loud. Could someone deal with this impertinent fucker who never knows when to quit?

Obersturmfuhrer SG

AND THEN WHAT?

sgstars SG

i rest my case.

lionnoisy's post is always incidenary and so mindless its asking for immediate deletion. i wonder why fireice never ban him or something.

lionnoisy SG

Quantity is important,but quality also counts.

Upgrading sometimes is very risky!!

below from today http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/asiapacific.shtml

Sources point to Adelaide-class frigate's missile firing problems
 A Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Adelaide-class frigate accepted by the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO) after a lengthy and complex upgrade has experienced problems with...
 27-Mar-2009

i read somw where that 5 out of 6 missiles failed to respond to fire!!

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Australia acknowledges 'hollowness' in ADF capabilities
 The Australian government has described a "hollowness" in the capabilities of the Australian Defence Force (ADF) that could compromise its ability to field equipment and...
 01-Apr-2009

lionnoisy SG

some pics of oz navy ships here

http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5037887-5007150-5,00.html

lionnoisy SG

Yellow dwarf .. a lone kayaker passes the ANZAC Class Frigate HMAS Stuart. Picture: Charlie Brewer

lionnoisy SG

wat is the use of this Pole in oz sub?

Passing by ... two kayakers pass a stern of the submarine HMAS Farncomb as the ship's company line up, ready for inspection. Picture: Charlie Brewer

Jack412 SG

so ya dont like the collins, this will upset you then...aussies did the signature management (stealth) system for your submarines

Bodonogh SG

This lionnoisy guy is just trying to antagonize you guys to make you spill the beans on why the Oz gear is so kick arse. TIme and again he's putting the bait out to get you guys squealing so he can extract more info. Don't get sucked in.

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