IDF A rmor and tanks

Urihaifa SG

I am doing a post abour Singapore Israel relations on the military

I am looking for pic of amx 13 sold by Israel to Singapore

http://idf-armor.blogspot.com/

gary1910 SG

Here a thread in the other MN forum that will interest you.

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=85

Btw , did you register in that MN forum as totach7 over there?

If you have problem logging in, here some help:

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=1458

Typhoon SG

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/tango_magnolia.htm

Rreposting link from gary's thread for the benefit of forumners. A Russian website with rare pictures of the Israeli advisors in Singapore and the AMX-13s.

Sepecat SG

I think not all SAF's AMX 13s were acquired from Israeli. Many more came from other sources which I believe included India.

slim10 SG

Mindef reported that early batches came from France, India and Switzerland. SIPRI reports ~150 from India ('73-75), ~40 from Israel ('68-69 period), ~150 from Swiss ('79-81). Bought in 1968, first import of AMX-13 was July 1969.

gary1910 SG

According to the Russian article, the 1st 2 batches in 69 period was already 72.

Next I thought that 150 from 79 period were from France.

slim10 SG

Just reporting what SIPRI reports. You can check out their trade register.

If I'm not wrong, vol 2 of LKY's memoirs mentioned that SG bought 72 from Israel in 1969 as IDF was upgrading their tank force at that time. That would be a better source as it came from the horse's mouth.

That would suggest that the first pics of the AMX-13 during the 1969 NDP which are available on the mindef website are probably ex-israeli (which are ultimately ex-french).

tankee1981 SG

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/tango_magnolia.htm

Rreposting link from gary's thread for the benefit of forumners. A Russian website with rare pictures of the Israeli advisors in Singapore and the AMX-13s.

I will be great if there is transation for the Russian site. Looks interesting, depicts the history of Israeli-Singapore relations since Singapore's independence.

gary1910 SG

I will be great if there is transation for the Russian site. Looks interesting, depicts the history of Israeli-Singapore relations since Singapore's independence.

I have already translated using Babel Fish and posted in the above thread link to MN.

Not a great work due to some of Russian words were not translated by it, 2ndly it need a lot of reformatting, I did not bother too much as long as it could be understood.

slim10 SG

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw05/040818id.htm

sgstars SG

what about our air force being trained by taiwanese pilots ? is that ever going to come to light ?

gary1910 SG

Here it is:

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=533

Did some translating as well but even more tedious, done most of it except the ending summary.

Later Spidy posted some scan images from a magazine in English, which is practically summary of the Chinese article in English.

sgstars SG

Here it is:

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=533

Did some translating as well but even more tedious, done most of it except the ending summary.

Later Spidy posted some scan images from a magazine in English, which is practically summary of the Chinese article in English.

ahh thank you gary !

was trying to think of where i read about it but cant remember. i was thinking more of the official recognition that the taiwanese played a role in our RSAF.

Arapahoe SG

ahh thank you gary !

was trying to think of where i read about it but cant remember. i was thinking more of the official recognition that the taiwanese played a role in our RSAF.

i was wondering If the F-4 rumor came out of this program? Since it was a letter different and A-4 was transiting thru ROC. Or that was a totally different diversion altogether.

Arapahoe SG

I have already translated using Babel Fish and posted in the above thread link to MN.

Not a great work due to some of Russian words were not translated by it, 2ndly it need a lot of reformatting, I did not bother too much as long as it could be understood.

thanks for the web site.

I think it is amazing that some time history needs a few man and decision to change the course of a Nation's outcome. ....Yitzhak Rabin was one of them.

"Dear friends," Rabin said, "I want you to remember several things. One, we are not going to turn Singapore into an Israeli colony. Your task is to teach them the military profession, to put them on their legs so they can run their own army. Your success will be if at a certain stage they will be able to take the wheel and run the army by themselves. Second, you are not going there in order to command them but to advise them. And third, you are not arms merchants. When you recommend items to procure, use the purest professional military judgment

shinkansen SG

When I was a trainee in OETI, I got a chance to touch the AMX-13 (SM-1) tank.

Even start and rev the engine, this is my experience.

This pic was taken in SAF-Armour Training Insitute at Sungei Gedong camp.

I think is an open house or their armour specialist course passing out parade.

tankee1981 SG

When I was a trainee in OETI, I got a chance to touch the AMX-13 (SM-1) tank.

Even start and rev the engine, this is my experience.

This pic was taken in SAF-Armour Training Insitute at Sungei Gedong camp.

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/tango_magnolia/singapore_soldier_small2.jpg

I think is an open house or their armour specialist course passing out parade.

I think the latest tank crew uses the SAR-21 instead of the carbine which i used last time.

Anyone can confirm that the SM1 are still being used now?

Shotgun SG

They were still rolling around when I left in 2005

Typhoon SG

http://washington-report.org/archives/Sept_Oct_2007/0709040.html

shinkansen SG

I think the latest tank crew uses the SAR-21 instead of the carbine which i used last time.

Anyone can confirm that the SM1 are still being used now?

Now still using, haven't completely phase out yet. I think SM1 still got other usage.

Backup purpose.