Lionnoisy's War against Everything Australian: Hobart DDGs

last SG · 2008-08-16T11:51:47+00:00

Since when was the Aelgis system, with all it's powerful active radars and the like, as well as operating near other fleet ships which will show up on radar...

lionnoisy SG

i think u guys love to see what is 'Australianised Aegis combat system'?

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/awd/sea4000/sea4000.cfm

note the progress in this link.

Design still in progress!!

But they alreday finalised the layout of Operation Room!!

i read from other links.

The Hobart Class AWDs will be equipped with an Australianised Aegis combat system to ensure they possess the most up to date combat technologies available. These technologies ensure the Hobart Class meets the specific and demanding capability requirements of the Royal Australian Navy.

lionnoisy SG

This is another brave action of Oz .

I think they never build so big ship,not to say war ship.

Read bewteen the lines then come back and talk.

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When the Australian government planned the acquisition of their new submarine force, they aimed at a submarine more capable than any existing design in the world. Moreover, they made the bold and daring decision to build the submarines in Australia, a country with no experience of design and construction of submarines.

Asian Aussie SG

This is another brave action of Oz .

I think they never build so big ship,not to say war ship.

Read bewteen the lines then come back and talk.

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WTF are you on lionnoisy? I thought drugs were strictly illegal in your country, how the hell did you get some? And your name is very appropriate, all noise and nothing else.

You don't even make your point clearly. You just rehash bits of someone else's work and mumble some garbage.

Yes it is a bold move by Australia, but if you want to develop new capabilities, then of course it has to be. One could argue that it is a bold move by SG to develop a submarine capability based on so little experience, however it's a move that has to be done.

lionnoisy SG

u are right.SG just got few decades old sub for first phrase.

Now,we are waiting for two AIP sub lah,still old sub.

SG dunt go for latest and biggest sub.

Just get the one suitable for our needs.

Nevermind it is old and small,about 20 years.

But one thing u can assure.SG old sub.,after conversion,will

not need to be 'upgraded' or repair in near future.

Janes calls this 'Get well ' programmes for Collins Sub.

Substances is more important than names.

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read old postings then u know better about Collins.

Not more than half can sail in any time!!

http://www.sgforums.com/topics/search?q=Colins+&commit=Go&type=topics

i think 6 Collins sub spent more time in docks than sailing after delivery.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

i think 6 Collins sub spent more time in docks than sailing after delivery.

You think, you though who confirm?

But one thing u can assure.SG old sub.,after conversion,will

not need to be 'upgraded' or repair in near future.

You obviously have no idea on the true state of our submarine force. Do you have any idea on the readiness our our current submarine force? No idea? Try talking to somebody into the RSN.

Curiously for anything regarding the SAF, you always seem to assume 100 percent readiness for anything, but is incredibly pessimistic when it comes to any other nation. Apparently, murphy laws only works for other nations?

In any case for your "layman" understanding, lets just say that in terms of submarine technology, the Aussies are light years ahead of us, or any nation in the world for that matter when it comes to operating blue water SSKs.

So when Australia get second hand weapons system it is a mistake?

But when Singapore gets an old, second hand sub that was supposed to be scrapped it is "for our needs".

Seriously you are a joke.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

read old postings then u know better about Collins.

Not more than half can sail in any time!!

How come after reading old postings, you still don't seem to know any better about Collins?

Your "not more than half can sail in any one time" submarine managed to wreck havoc with the USN to the point the Americans decided to trade their advanced submarine technology with the Aussies for experience in SSK warfare.

You keep harping on problems, while the Aussies go on ahead with Virgina SSN technology and ADCAP torpedos, and are already planning a new class of SSK from the lessons they learnt with the Collins.

What does ST marine have to show after all these years except a few refurbished submarines that are endurance limited, dumb, deaf and blind compared to the collins?

So apparently "our needs" for submarines mean this standard? Is this the same excuse that had us operating outdated light tanks for over 30 years?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

This is another brave action of Oz .

I think they never build so big ship,not to say war ship.

Read bewteen the lines then come back and talk.

http://www.kockums.se/products/products.html

Actually they have had experience in operating fighting ships of such tonnage before.

You make so much noise for what?

16/f/lonely SG

Personally I think the RMN has pretty good ships comparable and may be better than ours too.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

The problem about any military programme that the SAF develops is that you only hear the good news in the media, but the actual picture of things is very different.

Unfortunately for lionnoisy, there are plenty of issues with our procurement projects, reference customer or not. We spent millions mucking around with our AMX13 replacement, trying weird stuff like Bionix MGS before deciding to just get Leo2A4s and refurbish them.

So what happened to all the time, money and effort spent on our AMX13 replacement project over 20 years?

Flushed down the toliet.

In any other country, this would have been a big scandal and media disaster, but for some reason we never hear of it, quietly forgotten.

How come lionnoisy isn't saying much about the fact that despite 10 years since it was introduced, the SAF has still not fully introduced the SAR-21 to all the troops and even frontline units find themselves using a mix of M-16 for M203 and SAR-21 and realizing that in battle the M203 gunner is unable to share ammunition with the rest of his section?

To add salt to the wound, we see ST selling better versions of the SAR-21 to other nations while our own soldiers use a basic version that can't even fight at night without relying excessively on the LAD.

In any case I do not see why lionnoisy wants to cry so much about stealth in Australia's context, JORN can easily find our Formidibles, there isn't anything of multi-thousand tonnage on the surface of the water that isn't supposed to be there the Aussies can't find.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Our Formidable frigates are by and no means even close to the F-100 frigates, or even the new German frigates coming on line. They have to get by with a cheapy phase array radar that has to be rotated.

lionnoisy SG

You think, you though who confirm?

You obviously have no idea on the true state of our submarine force. Do you have any idea on the readiness our our current submarine force? No idea? Try talking to somebody into the RSN.

So when Australia get second hand weapons system it is a mistake?

But when Singapore gets an old, second hand sub that was supposed to be scrapped it is "for our needs".

Seriously you are a joke.

1.At last SgTy regard time availiable for sub sailing is important.

STy now wont said Oz sub of future technology can cover every short fall.

2.Pl keep on track of this thread---Oz AWD and rrelated topics,now

we talking about sub.We can open a topics to talk SAF stuff,

but not offending OSA!!

3.Oz have never bought old major platforms in the past 20 years,

unlike SG!!Oz may have bought old major platforms more than

20 years ago.Oz goes for latest ,biggest and powerful platforms,

at least on paper.Sg is good to turn scrap into usable stuff,after

some jobs!!

ONLY less than 2 subs can fight,so to say, in any day

we come to here not to hear any authoritive speech

or teaching,ie whatever this man says ot this country do

is right.

We come here to learn somethings useful,to sharpen our thinking

skills and to distinguish between facts and fictions.

Oz offical reports is only 1.6 sub in a day on average, able to fight

,so to say, in 2006/2007.Pl take note even these 1.6

Collins sub were ''Mission capabality

not fully achieved due to system related defects and workforce

shortfalls.''

So,i can say NO COLLINS SUB REACH FULL CAPABILITY in 2006/07!!

OMG!!u spent so much $$ and effort and NOT a single

sub can fight to her designed fighting capabilty!!

yes.They think no one will knock on Australia's door.

U are invited to read the full report if u think

it is unbelieveable.

4.Australia Collins sub 40 % to 60% in dock:Officail report

Thats is to say,only 3 out of 6 latest and powerful Oz sub can sail

at any time.

We dunt know the capbaility,to be honest.Lets assume all sails

with Full Capabability.

But is it a prudent approach when u can only deploy half of the subs?

Why sub have to spend so much time in docks?

They are pretty new.Oz will tell u they are doing upgrading for

agvanced or future weapons or equipments.

But do u think a less than 10 Years sub needs so much upgrading?

Use your brains!!

Look at these evidences:

MCD = Mid-Cycle Docking--5

AMP = Assisted Maintenance Period--4

ID = Intermediate Docking—9 to 14

CED = Certifi cation Extension Docking--14

CEM = Certifi cation Extension Maintenance Period--5

SMP = Self Maintenance Period--2

IMAV = Intermediate Maintenance Availability—8

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314188?page=2

In 2006,40% time in dock:

In 2004/05,60 % spent in docks.

2003/04,55 % in dock

lionnoisy SG

5. 5 out of 6 subs out of actions

It seem it happened in early 2005.

maurizio13 SG

Yah Yah!!!

We believe your crap!!!

HMAS Collins below 10 years.

HMAS Collins (SSG 73), named for Vice Admiral Sir John Collins (1899-1989), is a Collins class submarine laid down by the Australian Submarine Corporation at Osborne in South Australia on 14 February 1990, launched on 28 August 1993 and commissioned on 27 July 1996. Jane's Fighting Ships states that the Collins has been modified to support special forces operations.

Singapore has the BEST Navy in the World Wide World even beating junk boats used by the USA!!!!

How deluded have we become???

lionnoisy SG

Pl forgive them.Collins are being fitted with US nuke sub Combat sys!!

any news for the performance of this Combay Sys.

I hope the Naval Heli tragedy will not happen again.

Oz tried to fit latest combat sys to Vietnam heli air frame,

leading to scarp A$1000 million contract,just announced in mid 2008!!

Anzac Ship Helicopter
SEA 1411
Phase 1
2001-02
2002-03
2003-04
2004-05
2005-06
2006-07

Approved project expenditure($m)1108
Cumulative expenditure to 30 June 2008($m)953
Budget Estimate 2008-09 ($13m)

The Government has announced an intention to cancel this project. The provision of $13m in FY 2008-09 is in anticipation of the potential costs associated with concluding the contract, which may include legal fees. The estimate is therefore indicative and will be offset by the Australian Government receiving at least 50 per cent of the proceeds from any sales Kaman Aerospace make on return of the aircraft, training equipment and spares (with a guaranteed return of $39.5m).

PART TWO
DEFENCE MATERIEL ORGANISATION

Australia Defense report

Collins Replacement Combat System
SEA 1439
Phase 4A
2003-04
2004-05
2005-06
2006-07
2007-08

Approved project expenditure($m)452
Cumulative expenditure to 30 June 2008($m)391
Budget Estimate 2008-09 ($19m)

HMAS Waller achieved Initial Operational Release in May 2008, from which time the submarine will be available for deployment by the RAN. Installations in HMA Submarines Farncomb and Dechaineux are progressing to schedule and will be completed in Farncomb in July 2008 and Dechaineux in April 2009.

maurizio13 SG

5. 5 out of 6 subs out of actions

It seem it happened in early 2005.

From this article you can tell that all the ships were docked at the same time???

Do you provide mind reading or fortune telling sessions too???

Please tell us where does it say in the article that they were all docked at the same time???

So being docked at HMAS Stirling (Naval Port) is considered docking next to a ship???

HMAS Stirling ( 32°13′33″S, 115°41′24″E) is the name given to the administrative centre of the Royal Australian Navy's main naval base on the west coast (Fleet Base West), located on Garden Island just off the Western Australian coast near the city of Perth. Garden Island also has its own airport on the island (ICAO: YGAD).

Please give me more comments on your thoughts about P4P exploiting the CPF. Your feedback highly regarded, else I take it that you agree with my statements.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/327581

lionnoisy SG

The article refer to early of the year.

Even this article cant prove,the few charts can prove,

on average,40 to 60% sub in dock for various stage of mainteances

pl read

MCD = Mid-Cycle Docking--5

AMP = Assisted Maintenance Period--4

ID = Intermediate Docking—9 to 14

CED = Certifi cation Extension Docking--14

CEM = Certifi cation Extension Maintenance Period--5

SMP = Self Maintenance Period--2

IMAV = Intermediate Maintenance Availability—8

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314188?page=2

maurizio13 SG

The article refer to early of the year.

Even this article cant prove,the few charts can prove,

on average,40 to 60% sub in dock for various stage of mainteances

pl read

MCD = Mid-Cycle Docking--5

AMP = Assisted Maintenance Period--4

ID = Intermediate Docking—9 to 14

CED = Certifi cation Extension Docking--14

CEM = Certifi cation Extension Maintenance Period--5

SMP = Self Maintenance Period--2

IMAV = Intermediate Maintenance Availability—8

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314188?page=2

Huh???

Do you know what is Full Docking Cycle (FCD)?

Or do you even know what is a cycle?

52 weeks = 1 year

So they dock this ship for 1 year, then proceed to dock the ship another year?

If my car needs a cycle of 52 weeks before I bring it for maintenance, it means my car is in the workshop for 1 year.

maurizio13 SG

HMAS Stirling (Naval Port).

Hypothetically:

HMAS Lion (Ship) docked at HMAS Jurong (Naval Port).

HMAS Gazelle (Ship) docked at HMAS Jurong (Naval Port).

HMAS Lies (Ship) docked at HMAS Jurong (Naval Port).

HMAS Stupidity (Ship) docked at HMAS Sentosa (Naval Port).

HMAS Propaganda (Ship) docked at HMAS Sentosa (Naval Port).

HMAS Moron (Ship) docked at HMAS Sentosa (Naval Port).

Therefore all the ships are docked alongside each other.

maurizio13 SG

This is good entertainment.

Please continue.

Please make your contributions and participate in the CPF thread, your humour is desired.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/327581

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