Lionnoisy's War against Everything Australian: Hobart DDGs

last SG · 2008-08-16T11:51:47+00:00

Since when was the Aelgis system, with all it's powerful active radars and the like, as well as operating near other fleet ships which will show up on radar...

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Eh storywolf, you in here still haven't learnt anything from all my replies to lionnoisy posts ah?

They're not supposed to make much sense except to lionnoisy... because no rational answers will suffice for him, you need to reply him with his kind of twisted logic sometimes.

I disagree with you on body armour. May have been slower then other modern army, but why rush into it when we do not have war on. Also we our weather is too hot, and our modern soldiers run with PT wear also can drop dead …(they not real grunt like you) rush into implement the old generation of body armour, no need to fight all drop dead !! Think the timing was good, that we waited, at least better and lighter body armour.

Eh, this one is certainly a bad point... going by your logic we might as well lose the K-pot and use the plastic engineer hardhat, given they are not "real grunts" we're not going to war anytime soon, and the kevlar helmet is so heavy and can cause heatstroke as well.

Other armies have fought in more extreme conditions with body armour. There is no good or bad about waiting, the SAF, like with the SAR-21 fiasco is simply lazy.

But when they had to hunt the robbers in tekong, they did bother to bring out the BA for their troops going in... which did complain somewhat because they never trained in it.

Also I don't understand your logic... the basic "not a real grunt", can "drop dead in PT" SAF soldier is expected to carry anywhere up to 20-30kgs of equipment in his FBO, this includes an assault rifle that is somewhat heavier then most normal rifles of its class apparently designed for "not a real grunts", as well as a 1.5 kilo kevlar helmet that can give him heatstroke, and not to mention a LBV that many complain is a lot hotter then the old combat webbing (thou i think there's little difference), plus camelpack and what have you not in addition to all his field items like ET tool and the like.

So all this is okay for a "can drop dead in PT not a grunt" but suddenly adding 8kgs of vital, life saving armour is a bad decision? Hmmm... if anything we could lose a lot of the unnecessary weight in the FBO items for BA.

Shotgun SG

Eh, BA is used for jungle warfare or just Fibua?

Besides, I advocate Dragonskin. I keep seeing videos of how inba it is... stopping 7.62 steel core rounds... like wtf?! Not to mention lighter too...

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

BA is a must for FIBUA... I'll still use it in Jungle warfare thou...

storywolf SG

Eh storywolf, you in here still haven't learnt anything ?

it seem like the person who does not learn is you !!!

Don't understand you, we getting body armour now - you complain that should have got it sooner !!! If we got BA sooner - eariler verison one - now you be complaining it is now outdated, why we cannot get the better type in market now !!! Hello you complaining like Ah Ma !!!!

Buy earlier - you complain now outdated, buy later you also complain should have got earlier !!! You complain for the joy of complaining

Did any war broke out that we have to fight with BA ? Did any soldier died shot - that could have been saved by a BA ? - Answer is no, this clearly proven the decision to buy BA now is the correct and wise choice, to hold back till better BA is available, and when the regions is more unstable which is now which we have more likely to use it. Getting the equipment - when we best and most need it is the better investment and not getting it just because - it is out in the market, there will alway be newer and better stuff all the time, you just cannot be blindly chasing after it

storywolf SG

“when they had to hunt the robbers in tekong, they did bother to bring out the BA for their troops going in… which did complain somewhat because they never trained in it ? “

Did SAF have any specific exercise that cater to hunting of robbers !!! No ? well there is alway the 1st time. For crying out loud ! The soldiers are deploy there to guard access point here and there , and some buildings ! The one that go try to flush them out was the Police swat team, gurhkas and the more elite forces – those have train with BA before. It is not like the ordinary soldiers are ask to put up BA and ask to charge or storm the building with it on.

Look like you are right, we damn need to train for things – that why they let Selamat out – so we get more training in hunting people with BA on !!!

sgstars SG

it seem like the person who does not learn is you !!!

Buy earlier - you complain now outdated, buy later you also complain should have got earlier !!! You complain for the joy of complaining

eh ?

i m missing your point. dont get your point

SGTY is saying, BA is good, should have gotten earlier. and you are saying he's complaining NO BA = bad, got BA = bad. wth ? dont get it.

define "new and better" BA. if i m not mistaken. SAF body armour requirement is a class IIIA body armour. capable of stopping 7.62mm round from 50m away. its the same requirements as the current ones we have. dragonskin is a class5 body armour i think. SAF dosent always stay at the top of the tech curve.

simple reason, equipping thousands of conscripts each year, upkeep and maintainence of BA is troublesome. with our hot and humid weather, fungus will be a big trouble. ceramite plates will occasionally shatter and break in training as well. all these cost money le. maybe thats why we are only procuring it now with a 10 billion annual budget.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

sgstars pretty much said what I was about to say... I think he's reading too much into my posts that he's seeing arguments that are not there and then more or less wasted his energy typing a monolouge that is totally out of point that could have been avoided with basic comprehension skills.

oh wells... once the lion stops being noisy there's the wolf with his stories... beware :)

Shotgun SG

Its okay to have very different and polarized views, really. To me, you really can't find the middle ground until you've seen where the extreme ends are. =D

lionnoisy SG

above :HMNZ Canterbury

above: Ben-My-Chree--- the model platform of the Naval ship

are u still remember this?

When a navy ship cannot perform functions of military tasks,

what do u think?

The Tenix Australia proposed this commercial ship platform to New

Zealand Navy as a military transport ship,but

Canterbury’s design is based on a commercial “roll-on, roll-off” ship, Ben-My-Chree in operation in the Irish Sea.Roll-on, roll-off ships carry wheeled cargo using built-in ramps allowing the cargo to be "rolled on" and "rolled off" the vessel.

The Ben-My-Chree is designed operating near coastal waters.

But NZ Navy need a platform operates in ocean!

This causes the first in class ship operates 40% of the time!!

Not to mention one of the Fast Ctaft was wiped out in rough sea.

I am always accused underestimating Oz naval ships designs and buildings.

No need to argue.Just read how NZ navy cope with using this civilian

use ships as military use!!

I salute to drivers who drive vehicle from the deck of HMNZ Canterbury

via the aft ramp to the Landing craft on rough sea.

FYI.It is advised that the aft ramp cannot be used above Sea State

3!!

NZ navy needs combatant platform more than transport ships

http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-fleet/default.htm

http://www.airforce.mil.nz/

NZ currently get 2 combatant ships.

i cant understand why she needs 7 multi--role vessels.

Besides,NZ dunt have any fighers/attack planes!!

mmm

references:\

http://christchurchcitylibraries.com/Reference/Backgrounders/HMNZSCanterbury/

--> http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/independent-review-safety-hmnzs-canterbury.pdf

REPORT OF THE REVIEW OF THE SAFETY AND FUNCTIONALITY OF HMNZS CANTERBURY

http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/media-releases/20070612-hccis.htm

-> http://www.rnzncomms.org/navy/documents/Canterbury%20article%20for%20HSB%20magazine%20.pdf

dunt let our navy become like this!!

http://www.gavinsblog.com/2008/10/07/what-happened-to-the-georgian-navy/

lionnoisy SG

Why did NZ navy accept the design even though they knew

the design is wrong?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10525585

Equipment troubles have kept the Navy's newest ship alongside for 65 of the 160 days it was programmed to be at sea since it was delivered, Defence Minister Phil Goff has revealed.

The multi-role ship HMNZS Canterbury was commissioned last year but Mr Goff said since delivery "equipment issues" meant it could not go to sea for more than 40 percent of its programme.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4332824a6479.html

The navy's problem-plagued new ship, HMNZS Canterbury, lost one of its rescue boats overboard because of a design problem that was apparent before the ship was built, an inquiry has found.

But the navy was not told of the risk till just three weeks before it took delivery of the 9000-tonne multi-role ship.

....

sgstars SG

duuuuuuuuude!

for a country thats located near antartica.

where sheeps are > than humans.what do you seriouslly need aircraft for ? bomb the attacking penguins ? repel penguin invasion ? fight the whales ?

its a major hole in the defence. no contest. absolutely right. but when u need to project force into NZ. its so far away that anyone's supply chain would probably be overstretched. with the exception of australia.

and i doubt australia will be mounting any mission of conquest anytime soon.

there's no viable threat to new zealand at the moment, and its unlikely to be a very sought after territory or of any strategic value even in the event of a war.

i know too little about the state of new zealand naval / maritime forces so i m not going to comment. all i can say is. new zealand is a pretty nice place. i love christchurch and i think they ought to spend some serious thought on how to defend it properly.

Shotgun SG

lionnoisy is a lion. He needs to eat sheeps and cows and hence NZ is of a strategic importance.

Remember! Context, context, CONTEXT!

Asian Aussie SG

NZ Navy is a joke, NZ Air force is non existent. NZ doesn't care about their defence, why should you care lionnoisy?

If lionnoisy care so much about the sheep why doesn't he try to convince SG to invade NZ? According to him, NZ has no defence at all, so should be an easy job, shouldn't it dumb lion?

It's good to see you back so you can entertain us too.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

LOL, I didn't even bother to read his post the moment I saw him using all his typical keywords, the result is the same.

Eh mod, should change the name of this thread to another lionnoisy thread or something, skarly pple coming in think he's actually trying to raise serious discussion leh...

Shotgun SG

ha! I usually don't get pass 3 sentences of his...

laurence82 SG

thread title sounds cool

maybe we can make it into a series

hehe

CenturionMBT SG

Tell me when you are entertained enough

Shotgun SG

thread title sounds cool

maybe we can make it into a series

hehe

And maybe turn Lionnoisy into a youtube celebrity while we're at it?

We gotta feature sg-trex in that case... hmm

sgstars SG

eh guys.. come on la..

Later Lionnoisy dont come back permanantly and go some other defence forum then we will be uber bored.

dont pwn him for nothing. at least let him carry on with his usual stuff before you pwn him.

you cant go against custom can you ?

CenturionMBT SG

eh guys.. come on la..

Later Lionnoisy dont come back permanantly and go some other defence forum then we will be uber bored.

dont pwn him for nothing. at least let him carry on with his usual stuff before you pwn him.

you cant go against custom can you ?

Sure. So just enjoy yourself...

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