Another I hate Australia thread

last SG · 2008-04-13T13:46:54+00:00

3.What is it?in oz sub.i still cant find other sub in other country carrying this object?pl tell me what is it?is it just to warn crews propellers etc submer...

Asian Aussie SG

BTW, I want to raise an issue that I'm not sure on.

The Malacca Straits are one of the most busiest waterways in the world. SG is reliant on this waterway for trade. Yet it is infested with pirates.

Why isn't SG able to control this waterway? Why did the US have to offer using its fleet to protect this waterway last year?

sgstars SG

Noisy lion you are a disgrace to your ppl. You twist the truth by selecting bits of text instead of posting the entire text.

Then last night, you even made up references (Defence White Paper 2008) when they don't even exist yet.

You're a liar.

Fortunately I have sense and knowledge to realise that you are just one Singaporean and not representative of your entire island.

I don't think anyone here has made Australia an idol country, but you've def made Singapore your idol country. You're an idiot, cos you don't have the ability to critisise your own country when they're not right.

For example, the Gulfstream AWACS are 2nd rate compared to the Wedgetail. The Koreans rejected the Gulfstream and went for the Wedgetail. Why is your country sending its troops under 2nd rate AWACS?

Every country bar the USA has deficiencies. It's how we use what we've got that matters.

I dont know much about this, but i m thinking that the south koreans actually picked the wedgetail as it would mean greater interoperability with the americans in the event of any military excursion from the Norh. Israeli equipment usually operates on thier own standards. in any case, the market for awacs is really limited. if it isnt exactly a very broad market with different product, either a il-76 based russian awacs, saab erieye, isareli phalcon based or the american awacs. not exactly a lot of choices to pick from.

Its hard to say if something is 2nd rate or not without taking a full look at the features/technical abilites and examining the possible motivations, political, cost and other important factors. and in the matter of AWACS, data simply isnt avaliable in the public domain to make objective comparisons. suffice to say, ild just leave it that the gulfstream suits singapore's needs and the wedgetail would have been more appropriate to south korean need.

singapore simply cant control the straits. we own merely a tiny portion of it. but there are existing frameworks to work upon. malaysia, indonesia and singapore (3 countries bordering the straits) have organised joint piracy patrols to combat the notion that its "piracy infested". in fact, the malacca straits is actually a pretty safe one, attacks have been falling

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7391004.stm

regional piracy attacks are relatively high because they primarily occur in the indonesian archipaelago.

http://www.icc-ccs.org/extra/display.php

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/scholarship/ST%20-%20Reading.pdf

but its the possibility of terrorism that is the main fear. not of normal piracy. the worry is that some nutjobs capture a supertanker and sink it in the straits. closing the straits for marine passage. Maybe thats why the US offered its fleet. to have a deterrent value. closing the malacca straits basically screws japan, and denies the US navy a resupply point in south east asia such as singapore

Asian Aussie SG

I do not believe that the Gulfstreams match the Wedgetail however for the needs of SG I think the Gulfstreams are fine. Actually my main point is that SG has chosen Gulstream for its own needs, which is exactly what Australia does for its needs as well. Yet noisylion can't accept this.

Funny how he hasn't answered to this yet after I exposed him as a LIAR.

Anyway as for the Malaccas, even though SG only owns a part of it, the Malaccas are like it's main artery. Therefore SG must keep it safe. 1/3 of all piracy occurs in the Malaccas. That's a significant amount.

PLUS the Indonesians have already stated that they can't handle security in its zone.

kotay SG

For example, the Gulfstream AWACS are 2nd rate compared to the Wedgetail. The Koreans rejected the Gulfstream and went for the Wedgetail. Why is your country sending its troops under 2nd rate AWACS?

Ooooooh ... the Koreans "rejected" the G550 Phalcon? As in the Koreans had a choice and chose the Boeing AWACs instead?

Dude, the Phalcon was KO'ed from the competition by the US congress rejecting the export licenses for key systems in the G550 Phalcon. The "key system" were supposedly parts of the AWACS system developed in cooperation with the US government including data links for automatic exchange with other aircraft and satellite communications (satcom) ground stations.

... and yet the Boing AWACs was approved *cough* for export sales.

Basically, the G550's loss was a result of political pressure being brough to a multi-billion dollar arms sales. That can't really be used to construe that it is a less capable platform. You'll really need to produce other evidence to make such a claim.

AFAIK, what I've read indicated that the Phalcon had the support of the Korean Government given the initiative by Pres. Roh Moo Hyun to reduce dependance on US defense products.

Disclaimer: I did not follow this thread and didn't bother to read the previous # of pages. I do not know what is your context for this comment and I am just rebutting it "as-is". Not taking sides either and most definately not taking Lionoisy's side.

Shotgun SG

Funny how he hasn't answered to this yet after I exposed him as a LIAR.

PLUS the Indonesians have already stated that they can't handle security in its zone.

Gee Asian Aussie,

What do you suppose we do? RSN to start patrolling the Malacca Straits unilaterally to start policing their waters?

I imagine that won't sit too nicely with the Malaysians and Indonesians, don't you think?

Wedgetail vs Phalcon: There isn't much to talk about unless we can get good unclassified information about capabilities. Comparing the two is pretty much a waste of time otherwise.

Asian Aussie SG

Shotgun, I don't give a shit what SG does or doesn't do. It's your Strait, your lifeblood. I merely made a statement that SG needed to keep this strait safe for its own good, since SG is a major trading port.

I don't know SG well enough to make suggestions, hence I don't make them. Doesn't seem to stop some "experts" advising what Australia should or shouldn't do though!

Before you jump into smartass personal mode, there is the option of diplomacy between the three countries. Obviously it's not going well if attacks are still happening. Indonesia has expressly asked for international help so where's the problem? I admit Malaysia may have a problem with SG intervention though.

With your background, why didn't you suggest mounting air defence systems. To you they seem to solve everything!

16/f/lonely SG

I don't know SG well enough to make suggestions, hence I don't make them. Doesn't seem to stop some "experts" advising what Australia should or shouldn't do though!

With your background, why didn't you suggest mounting air defence systems. To you they seem to solve everything!

Yours?

What shit is that?

Edit: If I may add, since you already admitted that you didn't know much, then why assume the Straits are yours mine or ours??

Asian Aussie SG

I seem to know more about the situation than SG ppl. You asked for ideas, shotgun, here's some ideas.

1. Legislate so that all ships travelling thru the Malacca Straits and wanting to stop in SG carry some protection systems against pirates. This could range from basic systems which already exist all the way to weapons like .5 cal. I am not advocating this, it is merely an option.

2. Work with tribes in the area to work out ways of improving poverty so that piracy isn't needed.

3. Work with the Malays and Indos more effectively.

As for Wedgetail vs Phalcon, in terms of capability the Wedgetail is better. Source: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/korean-ex-helicopter-competitions-reaching-endgame-updated-01608/

However before you reply, I think the Phalcon is appropriate for SG due to cost and need. SG doesn't need to cover a large area with AWACS like Korea or Australia due to the fact that your land mass is small. I used the Wedgetail vs Phalcon scenario merely to highlight lionnoisy's deficiencies in that he is biased against Aust systems.

Asian Aussie SG

16/f/lonely!

Is this fuking forum full of teenagers? I didn't assume anything in regards to the Strait.

Let's get some facts down.

1. FACT: SG does own a part of that Strait. So yes, it's yours! Do some fuking research about your own country.

2. Even if it wasn't SG's property, the fact that it is a major route to SG's ports, means that SG has to take a vested interest in it. For example, Britain doesn't own the Atlantic Ocean yet it has an interest in it because it's the route that allows trade with the US.

Next time, read the posts properly and not just a single post before commenting. And know your facts too or do some research first, cos I assure you I know my stuff. I don't base my knowledge on computer games.

16/f/lonely SG

16/f/lonely!

Is this fuking forum full of teenagers? I didn't assume anything in regards to the Strait.

Let's get some facts down.

1. FACT: SG does own a part of that Strait. So yes, it's yours! Do some fuking research about your own country.

Own a part of the straits....so what? SG has a vested interest in it, so do our neighbours, cooperation is needed and is indeed in place.

16/f/lonely SG

http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/20080328985.htm

Happy?

Asian Aussie SG

Joyous

sgstars SG

BE COOL Everyone !

@ Asian aussie, be cool and dont take it too personally man. its an asian thing not to be in your face and tell you outright from the start that what you know isnt the complete picture. or tell you that you are wrong outright. in asia, the concept of "face" or reputation is very inherently built into society. you can comment but you cannot embarass and thats the whole thing going on, no one wants to tell you outright your knowledge of the thing is extremely superficial at best.

if you observe the posts here, most people have been hinting that its not that we arent willing to act . but rather the onus being on the malaysia and indons. if you look it it thoroughly, singapore has been quietly improving on our maritime capabilities. we bought the frigates, increased our coast guard, established a new joint CG navy command centre, bought new fast boarding craft, buying choppers for our frigate(boarding), established new maritime commandos/ship boarding activities. and these are only the open domain info. could be alot more that we dont known off.

We can only do so much. most of the coastline actually belongs to malaysia and indonesia archipaelago. with about 12,000 known islands and much more unknown islands in indonesia alone, tell me, which nation can spare the resources to fully patrol them ? FYI, even with maritime patrol aircraft, which singapore has 4 of, its by no means easy. Malaysia has been beefing up on its maritime enforcment agency MEA and has dramatically increased spending and planned procurement of aircaft (rotary and fixed wing) but for domestic or regional interest, that is questionable.

and piracy isnt even the real threat. terrorism is. and in that, you'd find thats where the real effort and money is being poured into. why spend so much patrolling the oceans when u can hit the terrorist networks where it really hurts ? the malacca straits is a small place. usually the modius operani of pirates is to capture and bring the ship to some of the small uninhabited islands of indonesia and hold the crew and ship hostage. terrorism would be to sink a supertanker in the middle of the straits and effectively deny your VLCC and superships passage, which would include aircraft carriers

16/f/lonely SG

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javier_colombia SG

.. intersting topic.. haha

whoa.. ur 16 and no so much.. waa so smart :D haha

did u get my pm.. haha :D

16/f/lonely SG

.. intersting topic.. haha

whoa.. ur 16 and no so much.. waa so smart :D haha

did u get my pm.. haha :D

Of course I would reply to this topic.....it has much to do with me.

You pervert!!

javier_colombia SG

wat the hell... y r u so mean... omg... ur just too mean.. ahh... i would never be one.. ahh thats just gross..

u have to be like the meanest person ive talked to...

lionnoisy SG

Where did I mention Defence White Paper 2008?

Oz gavaman will release it later this year.\

Asian Aussie SG

GO look at the other thread and see where you made it up you liar. The one about the RBS 70 Bolide system.

SInce you're a liar, doesn't your word mean less than what it's written on? You've always spoken garbage, now we have proof to back up that you ARE garbage.

As for becoming Oz PR, No lionnoisy, it doesn't apply to you!!!!! Rejects need not apply again to OZ.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Answer lionnoisy and don't avoid the topic.

Do you think your dishonest and antisocial behaviour in this forums against your own countrymen as well as our foreign friends have honoured the intergity and reputation of our nation?

Do you think the hard work, blood, sweat and tears that our forefathers have spent to build up this nation deserves your style of talking about it? A style the dishonors their memory and achievements by trying to twist it to fit a irrational warped nationalistic worldview that has caused many evils in this world.

No lionnoisy, Australia is not our idol.

But it seems you have made Singapore your idol, and in doing so actually dishonored and disgraced the very nation you think you are protecting.

Is it not ironic? You want to make Singapore look good but make it look worse instead. It is the rational Singaporeans in here who give fair play to all sides and nations in here that are honouring what our country stands for.

So tell me, lionnoisy, who have been the true Singaporeans in here?

Not you.

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