Spy Masters leave their agent 007 to rot in prison

idwar SG

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news/_spy_held_under_isa_released.html

KUALA LUMPUR: A 25-year-old man, detained since July 28 last year under the Internal Security Act on suspicion of being a foreign spy, was released on Tuesday.

This follows a recent visit by the Human Rights Commission of Malaysia to Kamunting detention centre to investigate allegations of ill-treatment of K. Sanjeev Kumar. The allegations were made by his wife, Sharmila Uthiakumar.

Suhakam commissioner Datuk Siva Subramaniam said at a press conference here they found that Sanjeev Kumar, whose left arm and leg were paralysed, did not receive the treatment he required.

He said the Abolish ISA Movement had referred Sanjeev Kumar's case to Suhakam through a memorandum on June 4.

Sharmila had on May 20 lodged a police report against the Home Ministry, police and the Kamunting detention centre claiming her husband had been tortured.

She had also claimed her husband had become wheelchair-bound because of the torture

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Spy for who???

kotay SG

since no one has posted here in reply yet ... now would be an oppurtune time for the following ...

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

bloodsucker SG

If I were one of the ministers, I'd also imprison this troll under the ISA, and ship him off secretly to Guantanamo Bay to let him be with his brothers.

idwar SG

So Malaysia caught a spy

Spy for who?

CIA?, KGB/FSB?, China Intelligence? Thai Intelligence? Indonesian Kopasus?

pray tell......I am curious

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

We are actually more curious about what kind of drugs you have been taking recently...

Shotgun SG

More likely one of more vocal peeps of the last indian protests arrested under ISA.

Spy my ass.

sgstars SG

hahaha.

anyone still recall the malaysian wiretapping case in indonesia just last year ? total embarassment.

the indons expelled a diplomat and caught one guy red handed with the universal key machine thing to tap phonelines ?

2 + 2 is not equals to 5. insufficient contextual data to reach any conclusion whatsoever

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

2 + 2 is not equals to 5. insufficient contextual data to reach any conclusion whatsoever

You would think a person with the Raffles logo on his avatar ought to have some common sense to figure it out, but once again he entertains us by stuffing his foot into his mouth...

idwar SG

A Singapore Spy story : A British traitor who spied fir the Japanese is honoured at the Kranji War Memorial :

Japanese spy listed on Kranji war memorial
By Alec Marsh

THE family of a soldier who served in the Second World War has called on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission to remove the name of a Japanese spy from a memorial stone of British dead in Singapore.

The request followed the discovery of the traitor's identity and the revelation that his name was engraved just inches from their relative's, who was awarded the Distinguished Service Order and was an acting brigadier when he was killed in action in South-East Asia.

The identity of the spy, Capt Patrick Heenan, who passed secrets about British air bases in northern Malaya to the Japanese, remained largely unknown until the publication of a book describing his role in the defeat of the Commonwealth forces in the Far East.

Robert Moorhead, from Kent, learned that the name of a traitor had been placed just two names from his father's, and next to a George Cross holder.

Mr Moorhead, 70, said a letter had been written to the commission asking for the traitor's name to be struck off the memorial in the Kranji War Cemetery but it had said the name would not be erased.

The spy Heenan, who was found guilty at a court martial, was never executed because the Japanese invasion broke the lines of communication and the death warrant was never signed. He was killed by a military policeman as the Japanese closed in to prevent him being freed by the invading forces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1998/04/13/nwar13.html

Hmmmmm.,,,,,,,,,Spy vs Spy in Singapore,,,,,

sgstars SG

gee idwar.

you seem like someone very familiar. same modius operani.

1) raise some obscure/sure to be contested point which stinks to high heaven of a strong element of bias to create controversy

2) wait for people to respond and point out the logical flaws in your construction of what is deemed the basis of an argument (for better want of a term)

3) and when you respond, you usually dont address the issues. you simply ignore your fatally flawed/insipid/outright ridiculous "argument" and dig up new stuff in the same vein.

all due credit to you for your digging up of constant new sources of controversy and unfaltering ability to tease us with your posts

but things wear thin after a while. come on, do get serious and grow up. if you wanna post. post serious. this is reminding me of a very badly pwned lion somewhere in this forum.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Well trolling in forums is usually an indication of a larger problem with the person in whole, it could stem from feelings of inadequacy or the person in real life is extremely dominated by other parties in their social circles hence the need to gain some "power" by dictating the responses of people in online forums.

But all in all, trolls usually don't realize that engagin in trolling behaviour actually locsk them more into this vicious cycle of control by others, hence they actually end up weaker and smaller persons then they were before they took this course of action.

lionnoisy SG

i am not saying who is SG spy.

i just want to tell u every country needs spy or security agency and agents.

I am sorry to learn that Oz leaders distant themselves from

ASIS.at the almost the same day,

SG PM LHL choose to attend ISD 60 th Anniverisary,

at the time people still make joke of Selemat Escape.

Home Minister Wong Keng Seng could replace him to

be Guest Of Honor.But Lee choose

to be there.Lee's presence shows the political

support and boost the morale of ISD.

What he wants to imply is:

Guys,if u fail.I also suffer.I am backing u all the way.

@@@@@@@

Forumers,if u are leaders,

dunt appear just in the celebrating party.

u also have attend Failures Review meeting!!

ISD is not dirty

Gentlemen will distant themselves from security agency,

which is usually considered a dirty jobs.

But without them,we would probably suffer great loss,

from terrorists to espionages activities etc.

western press always refer President Nathan as former

Intelligence chief.What did they want to imply?

We no need to quote any other Country leaders

are former spy.Which country dunt need spy?

This kind of jobs are not pleasant and always away from

family.I think the divorce rates and children problems

are pretty high.Pays?Money cant compensate

the sufferings,not to mention if u get caught...

The agency will take care of u and family if u....

http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/177324

You have to be fair to your agents and take care of them and their families if they are caught.Otherwise,your agency 's reputation will suffer and you will find that nobody will want risk his life working for you gain

From :35 years of public service:From espionage to babies
Original appeared in
ETHOS -- a quarterly publication of the Institute of Policy Development, Civil Service College.--issue unknown.
Straits Times 06 Feb 2006.p 17,second column, by EDDIE TEO, Permanent Secretary at the Prime Ministers Office.24 years in intelligence service,
4 of them concurrently as Director of ISD---Internal Security Department

Posted to Security and Intelligence Divisionof MINDEF 35 years ago after approached by SID and advaced himself to then PSC right after completed govt scholarship study.

Reference:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,24317011-601,00.html?from=public_rss

John Lyons | September 09, 2008

THE nation's overseas spy agency was so run down under the previous Labor government, according to former foreign minister Alexander Downer, that Australia was not aware of "any" of the emerging problems in the region.

lionnoisy SG

Why we have to spy on others?They spy on us!!

22/01/1999 Straits Times Page: 53
Headline: 6 held for espionage
By: Ahmad Osman, Leslie Koh and Jason Leow

Subject: Parliament
Related Stories:
Pages 52 and 53

FULL REPORT:

ISA ARRESTS OVER PAST 2 YEARS
SIX people were arrested and detained without trial for
espionage activities in the last two years.
Four have been released, and investigations against the other two are
continuing, Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng disclosed on Wednesday in a
written response to a question from Nominated MP Simon Tay.
Under the Internal Security Act, those suspected of being involved in
activities that might threaten national security can be arrested without trial
and detained under an Order of Detention by the Government.
Details on the identities of those arrested were not released. Two were
arrested in 1997, and have since been released. One of them, a male Singapore
Permanent Resident, was a deep-cover operative of a foreign intelligence
service, and had used the other, a female Singaporean, as a collaborator.
Of the other four male Singapore citizens detained last year, three were
agents in another intelligence service. One had recruited the fourth to
collect intelligence on and to subvert an unidentified local community
organisation, according to the minister. Two of them have been released.
Said Mr Wong: "This followed Internal Security Department's
recommendations that their preventive detentions were no
longer necessary for reasons of
continuing investigation, or of their posing an active
threat to national security."
The four who were released from custody had been
detained for between four and 11 months.

Since 1965, 591 people have been detained under the Internal Security Act.
Most were arrested in the 1960s and 1970s in the struggle against communist
groups. The number fell to 39 in the 1980s. The six detained in the last two
years were the only ones in the 1990s.

lionnoisy SG

Spys caught in Spore--no joke
Spore is never short of spying activity.

Minister for Home Affairs (Mr Wong Kan Seng )said in a written reply released in Parliament on 20.01.1999 and reported in Zaobao on 22.01.1999:
extract:6 persons were detained in 1997 and 1998 under Order of Detention for
espionage.4 of them had been released under Suspension Order.

1.In 1997,one female Sg citizen and a male SPR were arrested.The man worked for a foreign spy agency and he recruited the female to assist him.

2.In 1998,4 sg male citizens were arrested. 3 worked for foreign spy agency. One of them recruited the 4 th.They were spying to collect info in local community organisations and espionage.

3.The two caught in 1997 and two in 1998 had been released after detained for
4 to 11 months.

End of extract

4.The two remaining were still detained in June 2000,as told by Mr Wong
in a interview by ZB on 26.06.2000.

5. One was still on Restriction Order

Parliment 2003-03-14 --report colum 789
Minister for Home Affairs (Mr Wong Kan Seng) answered to a question:
How many people are now detained for espionage cases? As of today, actually nobody has been detained. All have been released, and one is on a restriction order.As the Minister in charge, I believe that the ISD has acquitted itself very well.

fr
Parliment records
6.One or two cases have been reported.I will tell u if I got the info.

Want to know more about espionage?Read fr pg 25
''2. The operations of foreign intelligence services''
by EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.REport on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) (2001/2098(INI))dated 11 July 2001.

I am the target of spy?
Even you have no access to calssified info,you may still a target of espionage.
Suppose your dad have access to classified info.There is no weakness in your dad.
So you poor little guy would be a soft target.You think yourself is the smartest in the world!!Spy ,whether Singaporeans or not,will make you fall into the trap and blackmail your dad.So,simple?YES!!So be careful.Dunt sleep with under aged girl,for example, easily.The revealing clip may be sent to your dad's hand one day and put him in a very difficult position.

MICE--Money, Ideology, Coercion, or Excitement

quote:The concept is simple: it is either Money, Ideology, Coercion, or Excitement, that causes a person to be willing to betray their friends and neighbours, or their whole country, and go into the service of a foreign espionage organization. Sometimes "intrigue" is substituted for ideology, or "ego" for excitment, but the end result is the same. It is claimed that no one has produced a better summary of traitors' motivations.

fr SOURCES

Dunt be a messenger for spy
Spy sometimes need innoncent people to pass or receive message for them for various reasons.Be it a hard copy exchanged hand in a quite stair case or send/receive a message in net.Of course,you wont know the message in fact part of spying game.

I think I may be targeted! I need help...
Sorry,I dunt know the answer.May be ISD,or MI in SAF..Any one can advice.Any hotline can call?My advice is come out and seek help asap.

Penalty for trason in Sg
I cant found in http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/.Who can tell me?

A little help will lead u to hell
In the first time,spy will not ask you to steal the highly calssified info for you will resisit it strongly.They will ask you to get small info but classified one.If u do so and found out by your boss,u will also be in trobule.Ok,you got the bait and that is.
Dunt do any small help.

Cold War experience on espionage by CNN

sgstars SG

the best example i can think of is lionnoisy is exactly like chicken little.

an acorn drop on his head and its armageddon. sky is falling, we are all going to die.

you REALISE that pretty much everything that you say that is so general ? and how much of that is actually perception vs. reality ? gee, you'd make a good puppet, regurgitating everything thats fed to you.

the oldest spy agency in the world is owned by whom, make a guess. its not a secular government.

spies go for intelligence or information. spies are not necessarily political or are they employed at the level of nation state. they are basically the tools that someone uses to obtain the end product. the means by which they use while they are employed are the ones that are different and varied.

very often , economic spying is so much more prevalent than "spying" by your definition.

Spies arent all cloak and dagger people. there's also the analysts, the bureacrats , the support staff. and it isnt exactly your james bond environment with your "kill your family, dont sleep around with young women" kind of reality. even with your field operatives, there's a huge variation in terms of style and options.

my beef with you is that you are basically describing something out of context and u perpetually have this sensationalism about it. you are describing a toyota corolla as a monster truck. totally inappropriate. totally bullsh*t.

and what's your beef with the aussies ? they declared some kinda blood feud with you and your family ? you seem to drag them and sling mud at them at every single opportunity. every country has spies. even before the advent of the nation state and in the age of fedualism there were also spies.

and technically, by your standards of definition, you are a spy.

1) you infil the forums and this thread

2) you go around demonstrating subversive intent and spouting disinformation

Shotgun SG

We spy on others, people spy on us. They catch ours, we catch theirs... whats the diff?