Is it time to rethink 5.56mm rounds?

last SG · 2008-04-24T23:12:40+00:00

then maybe we can try a 40mm nuclear grenade round.for the M203 Later the explosion too big then hit you also

SquarePants SG

USE BOW AND ARROWS !!

BIG AND SHIOK

kingchan SG

fight like a man. Fix on bayonet and chiong liao. Smile

Shotgun SG

USE BOW AND ARROWS !!

BIG AND SHIOK

Don't look down on the bow and arrow. I can hit a human at 100m with those.

I fully agree that the 7.62 has a hitting power advantage. But I disagree with the 5.56 being called to be only suitable for shooting rabbits. If you'd like to volunteer to be a rabbit, I'd gladly demonstrate.

eagle SG

landmines FTW

oldbreadstinks SG

i think its better that we're using what ever our neighbours are using....... no point having weapons that run out of ammo in a war because no resup is coming

Fatum SG

Don't look down on the bow and arrow. I can hit a human at 100m with those.

Don't look down on the bow and arrow. I can hit a human at 100m with those.

wow ! ... the olympics archery event is only 70 meters ....

you're our medal hope ! ... someone call the Singapore Sports Council now ! ....

Shotgun SG

No, Olympics event is 90meters i think. Last SEA Games they did 90, 70, 50, 30.

100meters is just a +10 Meters nia. Under nice conditions... hitting a 122cm face is very much possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archery#Target_Archery

Fatum SG

No, Olympics event is 90meters i think. Last SEA Games they did 90, 70, 50, 30.

100meters is just a +10 Meters nia. Under nice conditions... hitting a 122cm face is very much possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archery#Target_Archery

it is 70 meters now ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archery_at_the_Summer_Olympics

which makes you ... our olympics hopeful ....

Shotgun SG

LOL! Almost anyone that has spent a few years in Target Archery can hit 90 meters with mostly +5 score per arrow (within blue rings, about the size of a man standing face front) under optimal conditions ( Low wind, just the right amount of sun).

Unfortunately, Olympics or Sea Games standards require pretty insane scores to stand a chance. I'm not that level yet... maybe some day I hope.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Aiyah we all know bow and arrow are extremely deadly weapons, like I mean did you see how Rambo used it? Can satay people like siao and also explode sia.

Also his arrows don't have a ballistic fight path, they seem to straight fly like hypervelocity railgun rounds.

Fatum SG

this is cute ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNY2t0h-HE

Eddie Lee SG

Don't look down on the bow and arrow. I can hit a human at 100m with those.

I was born in the year of the rabbit. So I had better not volunteer :)

fudgester SG

Hrm?

7.62mm rounds are certainly more lethal.... but they're heavier too....

If you ask me to choose between carrying 120x 5.56mm rounds and 90x 7.62mm rounds.... give me the former, anytime.

Shotgun SG

this is cute ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNY2t0h-HE

Yeah man, saw this video before... really awesome. The bean was just crazy.

But the arrow on arrow one is not unheard of. I've seen it happen twice in the past 2 years already. And on both occassions, the nocks for the first arrow were shattered by the 2nd arrow, resulting in a shaft-in-shaft type of penetration. Cos the nocks are still in place, its even harder to achieve this kinda "stunt."

This is a nicer video in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSXS4cRFFI

Back to topic!

7.62 definitely hits harder and penetrates more. But the 5.56 still has greater wounding effect when it penetrates flesh.

Meia Gisborn SG

This is a nicer video in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLSXS4cRFFI

OMG! Was David Hasselhoff one of the judges in that video???

EarlNeo SG

The problem with shooting steel or steel-jacketed projectiles in a firearm is you are going to increase the wear in the bore of the barrel by several orders of magnitude vis-a-vis traditional copper-jacketed projectiles, as steel is significantly harder than copper.

That's true. But u dun have to issue or use steel projectiles during training. Only use them in war time. That's why our sm1 tank is issue AP-wing rnd at war time only. Beside, sg isnt gg to fight a war lasting more then a yrs.

BabyRex SG

I remember one of my instructor in OETI telling us that 1 hit from a 7.62 round will most likely kill but for a 5.56, you may kil, you may not kill the fella, leaving the fella hit in agony and pain.

Wounding more enemies have a greater pychological and logistical impact than killing more enemies. as the cries and screams from fallen comrades are demoralizing than dead comrades and the logistics involved to evacuate and care for the wounded will put a bigger strain on the enemy.

This may sound cruel but which war isn't. And believe it or not, this is also one of the reasons (never officially acknowledged) the US chose the 5.56 over the 7.62.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Some people are looking to the 6.5mm Grendel, and it looks promising.

But personally I think each round has its advantages and disadvantages, with current conventional propellent technology there's only so much performance you can get out of a bullet for each kind of round, so if you want hard hitting you've to give up ammo space and face harder recoil and vice versa the other way.

eagle SG

Bow and arrow game la:

http://strong-bow.freeonlinegames.com/

I find it quite fun...

Shotgun SG

I remember one of my instructor in OETI telling us that 1 hit from a 7.62 round will most likely kill but for a 5.56, you may kil, you may not kill the fella, leaving the fella hit in agony and pain.

This may sound cruel but which war isn't. And believe it or not, this is also one of the reasons (never officially acknowledged) the US chose the 5.56 over the 7.62.

Depends on 7.62 fired from what. 7.62 shot from an GPMG would probably take limb clean off. But a 7.62 from an AK might not be as wounding as you think. Its about the muzzle velocity if i am not wrong.

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